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Meh, I think the longest lasting protocols are the decentralised ones, the good ones just can’t fail by design. SMTP is still going very strong, BitTorrent isn’

Meh, I think the longest lasting protocols are the decentralised ones, the good ones just can’t fail by design. SMTP is still going very strong, BitTorrent isn’t going away, bitcoin won’t die anytime soon slack/discord will probably disappear and be replaced by another closed system until we find the right way to do real time chat in a decentralised way.

brianush1 6y ago
As for SMTP, most people use Gmail nowadays anyway. Google might be able to kill SMTP if they wanted to.
- tenebrisalietum 6y ago
  They'd have to cooperate with Microsoft, which hosts email for a large number of companies.
  - freedrock87 6y ago
    Don't agree here. Most companies use mail internally or to interact with customers usually using some type of external mailing service.....
- crispyporkbites 6y ago
  Google will not be able to kill smtp, gmail is only one side of the email market. They’d have to offer a transactional and marketing email service and get every app/company to use that over smtp. It’s monumental and I don’t think it will change for decades.
  - simias 6y ago
    You can damage open/federated email without having to break the lower level layers. See winmail.dat for instance[1]. I don't know if it's still in the pipeline but I remember that Google proposed an "AMP for email" not so long ago, with basically self-updating email contents. Open email can be severely damaged if good old SMTP is only used to tunnel proprietary formats, especially if those formats are effectively just metadata that's used to fetch the actual content of the email from 3rd parties. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Neutral_Encapsulation_Format https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Neutral_Encapsulatio...
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vpzom 6y ago
well XMPP kinda did die
wyclif 6y ago
until we find the right way to do real time chat in a decentralised way Isn't that what IRC was supposed to be? But as others have pointed out, it's trivial to roll your own chat software and monetize it. You can't do that with a decentralized standard.
simias 6y ago
HTML is also "going strong", that's not really the problem. The proprietary takeover happens at higher layers. If SMTP is only used to tunnel proprietary content à la winmail.dat, it doesn't really matter that it's still technically open.

brianush1 6y ago

As for SMTP, most people use Gmail nowadays anyway. Google might be able to kill SMTP if they wanted to.

tenebrisalietum 6y ago
They'd have to cooperate with Microsoft, which hosts email for a large number of companies.
- freedrock87 6y ago
  Don't agree here. Most companies use mail internally or to interact with customers usually using some type of external mailing service.....
crispyporkbites 6y ago
Google will not be able to kill smtp, gmail is only one side of the email market. They’d have to offer a transactional and marketing email service and get every app/company to use that over smtp. It’s monumental and I don’t think it will change for decades.
- simias 6y ago
  You can damage open/federated email without having to break the lower level layers. See winmail.dat for instance[1]. I don't know if it's still in the pipeline but I remember that Google proposed an "AMP for email" not so long ago, with basically self-updating email contents. Open email can be severely damaged if good old SMTP is only used to tunnel proprietary formats, especially if those formats are effectively just metadata that's used to fetch the actual content of the email from 3rd parties. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Neutral_Encapsulation_Format https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Neutral_Encapsulatio...

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vpzom 6y ago

well XMPP kinda did die

wyclif 6y ago

until we find the right way to do real time chat in a decentralised way Isn't that what IRC was supposed to be? But as others have pointed out, it's trivial to roll your own chat software and monetize it. You can't do that with a decentralized standard.

simias 6y ago

HTML is also "going strong", that's not really the problem. The proprietary takeover happens at higher layers. If SMTP is only used to tunnel proprietary content à la winmail.dat, it doesn't really matter that it's still technically open.