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>Your links don't support your position My position is that it's stupid, and I was illustrating that there are forces that want to make it illegal. And they ha

by encom 6y ago

>Your links don't support your position My position is that it's stupid, and I was illustrating that there are forces that want to make it illegal. And they have succeeded in some places. The Canadian Bill C16 is one example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Act_to_amend_the_Canadian_Human_Rights_Act_and_the_Criminal_Code https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Act_to_amend_the_Canadian_H... >I don't think you actually know any TG people. And I think you have no basis for making that assumption. You are wrong.

throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
> there are forces that want to make it illegal Yep, in the context of a hate crime. Not standalone. Seems reasonable. I don't think you read the link you posted. To quote from it " Speaking for the [Canadian Bar Association], the President, [...] made explicit the protections for transgender people which were already contained in the prohibition on discrimination based on sexual orientation; and did not pose any risk to freedom of expression" So it's about discrimination, and freedom of expression is not affected. Further "Peterson argued that the law would classify the failure to use preferred pronouns of transgender people as hate speech. According to legal experts, including law professors Brenda Cossman of the University of Toronto and Kyle Kirkup of the University of Ottawa, not using preferred pronouns would not meet legal standards for hate speech" So getting him/her wrong is not hate speech, so... problem? What I'm getting from you is anger+fear, and what I'm not getting is why treating TGs decently bother you so much.
- dang 6y ago
  Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
    Tricky for me to understand that, @DanG. There was zero flaming on my side - that I can see - and not much on his, just an opinion I truly can't understand but think I need to. He posted honestly, I posted honestly in response factually and no shouting. So I don't get it.
mftrhu 6y ago
Indeed. There is a whole subreddit dedicated to documenting instances of people being arrested because of the travesty of justice that is Bill C16: check out https://reddit.com/r/ArrestedCanadaBillC16 https://reddit.com/r/ArrestedCanadaBillC16
- throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
  OMG this might or might not be worse than I could have imagined. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
dang 6y ago
Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

by encom 6y ago

throwaway_pdp09 6y ago

> there are forces that want to make it illegal Yep, in the context of a hate crime. Not standalone. Seems reasonable. I don't think you read the link you posted. To quote from it " Speaking for the [Canadian Bar Association], the President, [...] made explicit the protections for transgender people which were already contained in the prohibition on discrimination based on sexual orientation; and did not pose any risk to freedom of expression" So it's about discrimination, and freedom of expression is not affected. Further "Peterson argued that the law would classify the failure to use preferred pronouns of transgender people as hate speech. According to legal experts, including law professors Brenda Cossman of the University of Toronto and Kyle Kirkup of the University of Ottawa, not using preferred pronouns would not meet legal standards for hate speech" So getting him/her wrong is not hate speech, so... problem? What I'm getting from you is anger+fear, and what I'm not getting is why treating TGs decently bother you so much.

dang 6y ago
Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
  Tricky for me to understand that, @DanG. There was zero flaming on my side - that I can see - and not much on his, just an opinion I truly can't understand but think I need to. He posted honestly, I posted honestly in response factually and no shouting. So I don't get it.

mftrhu 6y ago

Indeed. There is a whole subreddit dedicated to documenting instances of people being arrested because of the travesty of justice that is Bill C16: check out https://reddit.com/r/ArrestedCanadaBillC16 https://reddit.com/r/ArrestedCanadaBillC16

throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
OMG this might or might not be worse than I could have imagined. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

dang 6y ago

Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html