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Taiwan has the best way of counting votes. Ballot is hold in the air, the name is called out and someone in the back keeps the score. Everyone can see what is g

by enaaem 6y ago

Taiwan has the best way of counting votes. Ballot is hold in the air, the name is called out and someone in the back keeps the score. Everyone can see what is going on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqKt-lPfJuw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqKt-lPfJuw

Beldin 6y ago
That is a great way to elect the one who buys the most votes. If you want to avoid such shenanigans, you'll need to enforce voter privacy.
- jadyoyster 6y ago
  The vote is private but the counting is public.
  - Beldin 6y ago
    I stand corrected.
  - Ericson2314 6y ago
    To be clear, they are calling out the number that indexes the papers, not a name of a person or a name of a candidate. 一號, 二號, 三號…. 正 is the tally mark https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E6%AD%A3 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E6%AD%A3 I have like a 1-2 year old's level of Mandarin at this point, sigh, but I don't think there is a detail I'm missing once the process gets going. This is a good, accessible voting system.
dnpp123 6y ago
I think that system is pretty similar everywhere, probably only in the US you have some weird mechanical machine to cast your vote.
- Tagbert 6y ago
  I’m in the US and the weird mechanical machine that casts my vote is a black pen filling in a circle. That can be read quickly by a simple electronic machine or more slowly by humans if there is a question. It’s low tech and hard to influence on a non-trivial scale. It is true that some places use much more complex systems and I don’t really understand the interest in those. It definitely don’t see any benefit to fully electronic voting, block-chain or otherwise. Voting doesn’t have to be efficient. It needs to be reliable, understandable, and believable.
the_snooze 6y ago
There are practical limitations that prevent us from doing that in the US. Specifically, our ballots tend to be long and complicated. A California ballot on a presidential year can have dozens of contests, from president to dog catcher to referenda. Reading out all ballots would be very time-consuming and likely very error-prone as poll workers are pretty tired by the end of the night. This is why we have scanners to speed up counting paper ballots. And paper ballots are retained for targeted manual counts if there's a need for auditing or recounts.

by enaaem 6y ago

Beldin 6y ago

That is a great way to elect the one who buys the most votes. If you want to avoid such shenanigans, you'll need to enforce voter privacy.

jadyoyster 6y ago
The vote is private but the counting is public.
- Beldin 6y ago
  I stand corrected.
- Ericson2314 6y ago
  To be clear, they are calling out the number that indexes the papers, not a name of a person or a name of a candidate. 一號, 二號, 三號…. 正 is the tally mark https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E6%AD%A3 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E6%AD%A3 I have like a 1-2 year old's level of Mandarin at this point, sigh, but I don't think there is a detail I'm missing once the process gets going. This is a good, accessible voting system.

dnpp123 6y ago

I think that system is pretty similar everywhere, probably only in the US you have some weird mechanical machine to cast your vote.

Tagbert 6y ago
I’m in the US and the weird mechanical machine that casts my vote is a black pen filling in a circle. That can be read quickly by a simple electronic machine or more slowly by humans if there is a question. It’s low tech and hard to influence on a non-trivial scale. It is true that some places use much more complex systems and I don’t really understand the interest in those. It definitely don’t see any benefit to fully electronic voting, block-chain or otherwise. Voting doesn’t have to be efficient. It needs to be reliable, understandable, and believable.

the_snooze 6y ago

There are practical limitations that prevent us from doing that in the US. Specifically, our ballots tend to be long and complicated. A California ballot on a presidential year can have dozens of contests, from president to dog catcher to referenda. Reading out all ballots would be very time-consuming and likely very error-prone as poll workers are pretty tired by the end of the night. This is why we have scanners to speed up counting paper ballots. And paper ballots are retained for targeted manual counts if there's a need for auditing or recounts.