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I've watched the stream, and it painful. Not only is the book built on very little evidence, but Shrier just gets so many things wrong on stream, I have to wond

I've watched the stream, and it painful. Not only is the book built on very little evidence, but Shrier just gets so many things wrong on stream, I have to wonder if she actually did her homework. Things that aren't even up for debate like effects of HRT, even in instances where it'd strengthen the optics of her argument. It doesn't help that Rogan only seems to have one hard opinion (legalize drugs) and seems to disagree with most of his guests very little, which makes for a good stage for his guests but not a very balanced discussion. I'm still hoping he'll eventually have a trans person on (that's not Debbie Hayton, Blair White or Buck Angel).

chordalkeyboard 6y ago
> I'm still hoping he'll eventually have a trans person on (that's not Debbie Hayton, Blair White or Buck Angel). why not one of them?
- sascha_sl 6y ago
  I'm going to assume this is not a gotcha question. Debbie Hayton is trans exclusionary feminist, while being trans. She also writes on transgender topics for RT. I have no idea what her motivations are, she doesn't usually talk about them and in fact blocks people on twitter when they ask. Blair White is a transmedicalist, who is so concerned about her own validity as a trans person that she insists on narrow diagnostic critera that just about include her. This makes her popular with a certain crowd. Her take on trans people that aren't exactly like her has been inconsistent. For a critical discussion with her and someone confronting her with said inconsistencies, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o_yuAuzl6Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o_yuAuzl6Q Buck Angel is similarly a transmedicalist, but more by virtue of transitioning at a time where only extremely few trans people were allowed to transition. Buck is a bit of a special case as one of the first trans men to transition, but he heavily relates to the Harry Benjamin Standards of Care, about which you can read some fun things here: https://twitter.com/orclesbian/status/1190481639501160449 https://twitter.com/orclesbian/status/1190481639501160449 I'm not really opposed to either of these people being on JRE, but their views on trans people have already been represented on the show a few times, whereas I haven't really seen any more inclusive advocates discuss this issue with Rogan. This is part of a wider issue with the JRE guest selection, but that'd go too far for a HN comment already way too long.

chordalkeyboard 6y ago

> I'm still hoping he'll eventually have a trans person on (that's not Debbie Hayton, Blair White or Buck Angel). why not one of them?

sascha_sl 6y ago
I'm going to assume this is not a gotcha question. Debbie Hayton is trans exclusionary feminist, while being trans. She also writes on transgender topics for RT. I have no idea what her motivations are, she doesn't usually talk about them and in fact blocks people on twitter when they ask. Blair White is a transmedicalist, who is so concerned about her own validity as a trans person that she insists on narrow diagnostic critera that just about include her. This makes her popular with a certain crowd. Her take on trans people that aren't exactly like her has been inconsistent. For a critical discussion with her and someone confronting her with said inconsistencies, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o_yuAuzl6Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o_yuAuzl6Q Buck Angel is similarly a transmedicalist, but more by virtue of transitioning at a time where only extremely few trans people were allowed to transition. Buck is a bit of a special case as one of the first trans men to transition, but he heavily relates to the Harry Benjamin Standards of Care, about which you can read some fun things here: https://twitter.com/orclesbian/status/1190481639501160449 https://twitter.com/orclesbian/status/1190481639501160449 I'm not really opposed to either of these people being on JRE, but their views on trans people have already been represented on the show a few times, whereas I haven't really seen any more inclusive advocates discuss this issue with Rogan. This is part of a wider issue with the JRE guest selection, but that'd go too far for a HN comment already way too long.