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The Messy Mediterranean
- StavrosK 6y agoGoogle cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=en&q=cache%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fsovereignlimits.com%2Fblog%2Fthe%2Dmessy%2Dmediterranean http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=en&q=cache%3... I was hoping we'd gotten past the era where blog articles stopped loading under a bit of traffic, alas.
- rsecora 6y agoYep, HN hug of death is still real.
- 082349872349872 6y agoTIL cyprus still has two UK bases. That might help complicate things.
- toxicFork 6y agoUK, complicating things since 19... wait... 18... 1700s?
- 082349872349872 6y agoWikipedia says 1688-1914. I would argue that brit foreign policy makers weren't ready to pass the baton until 1957 made it obvious. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemony#15th–19th_centuries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemony#15th–19th_centuries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis#Financial_pressure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis#Financial_pressure
- kergonath 6y agoComplicating things has always been the aim of foreign policy for about as long as England has been a thing.
- legulere 6y agoThey are also the only part of the UK that uses Euro as a currency.
- zvr 6y agoThese bases briefly appeared in the limelight at some point during Brexit discussions/negotiations, since they constitute yet another land border between UK and EU... They were eclipsed by Gibraltar afterwards (northern Ireland was always well-known).
- NKosmatos 6y agoCan we please leave politics out of HN? Being Greek I don’t want to see a conflict starting here. With that being said, it would be best if all nations signed and followed UNCLOS [0] guidelines and adopted a strict equidistance-based maritime boundary for all sea disputes. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_t...
- gus_massa 6y agoIt looks quite neutral for me, perhaps because I'm from Argentina and we don't have any skin in this game. (We have our land and maritime border conflict too. It's a sensitive topic in all the countries. [1]) The article helped me to understand the recent problem. My fast and possible inaccurate takeaway is: The land shore of Turkey has a lot of nearby Greek islands. If there is oil nearby, that will surely cause a problem. [1] Let's pick and easy one, the land frontier of Argentina and Chile. The Andes mountain range is in between. One method to select the border is to pick the highest mountains, other method is to look at the water basins. They are very different, so after a lot of problem we selected a mixed method and then added some arbitrary borders for a smaller section. Now it is quite settled, probably because there is not too much oil under the area. Other borders are too boring or too polemic.
- ivanhoe 6y agoIt's complicated to rely on natural barriers as they change too, for instance some parts of the border between Croatia and Serbia were drawn to follow the Danube river, but the river bed is ever-changing as water finds new ways - creating meanders and river islands - so now we have some areas in-between the two countries where ownership is disputed. Some guy even tried to declare a new state in one of those areas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland
- teddyh 6y agoAlso on the US-Canadian border: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMkYlIA7mgw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMkYlIA7mgw
- anonu 6y agoThis is a very real problem in the Eastern Med. as the article points out. From a Lebanon perspective, people have been talking about tapping into these offshore energy reserves for a decade+. But the inside conversation is that the Lebanese people would never see a penny from any revenues. They would simply get funneled into various politicians pockets. It seems like many countries would be far better off without this.