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As I see, the problem is not that the vote can be altered, but that the vote can be bought and the fact that person voted in the right fashion could be verified

by galkk 6y ago

As I see, the problem is not that the vote can be altered, but that the vote can be bought and the fact that person voted in the right fashion could be verified by 3-rd party much more easily (screenshots/whatever). The privacy of voting booth could give at least some chance to change mind/lie to the third party.

sebmellen 6y ago
In theory, mail-in voting carries these same problems, and we're about to hold the largest mail-in voting election ever. Not sure this is really an argument against an electronic voting system. In fact, with a blockchain-based system, the vote could be held in "limbo" until the voter decides to cast it, or you could give the option of creating fake screenshots to deter anyone "buying votes". You can't do this with a paper ballot. The real problem is compiler and hardware level.
- M2Ys4U 6y ago
  >In theory, mail-in voting carries these same problems, and we're about to hold the largest mail-in voting election ever. And the president is - right now - conducting a denial of service attack on it. If that doesn't show that remote voting is vulnerable I don't know what does...
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    The only reason for a big mail-in election is a historic exploit of an availability vulnerability of our in-person voting system, that it depends on lots and lots of (in practice, mostly older) people willing to spend a day in close contact with each other and other people for almost no pay. > And the president is - right now - conducting a denial of service attack on it. Or at least miming one, perhaps to provide political cover for Republican-governed swing state legislatures, seeing the problems of in-person voting in the pandemic and armed with the telegraphed disruption of vote by mail as cover and polling data as motivation, to simply exercise their prerogative to cancel public voting and assign a set of Presidential electors without it, which the Republican control of the Senate can guarantee withstand any challenge in the electoral vote count. If he really wanted electoral chaos by disrupting vote-by-mail, there'd by no reason to telegraph it; the reason to telegraph it is because he desires a response that it either provokes or justifies, as much, more than, or perhaps even instead of the disruption itself.
flavor8 6y ago
Just because the blockchain is public doesn't mean that the identity of voters is public. You know which one your vote is; that information isn't otherwise public. When you vote right now, your vote is (theoretically) tied to your identity, because every ballot has an id tied to it, so it's not like you'd be giving up any more anonymity than you had. I don't know of any practical fully anonymous election systems that are post-hoc verifiable, but maybe somebody does.
koheripbal 6y ago
This is possible today anyway. People can take a picture of their ballot in the booth. Hell, with mail-in voting, you can literally go door-to-door and buy mail-in ballots.
- the_snooze 6y ago
  >People can take a picture of their ballot in the booth. This is insufficient. In-person paper voting allows the voter to toss out their marked ballot and get a fresh one. You can take a photo of your ballot, but it's hard to prove that's what you actually casted. Poll workers will tell you to put your camera away near the ballot box, to protect other voters' privacy as they submit their completed ballots.
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by galkk 6y ago

sebmellen 6y ago

In theory, mail-in voting carries these same problems, and we're about to hold the largest mail-in voting election ever. Not sure this is really an argument against an electronic voting system. In fact, with a blockchain-based system, the vote could be held in "limbo" until the voter decides to cast it, or you could give the option of creating fake screenshots to deter anyone "buying votes". You can't do this with a paper ballot. The real problem is compiler and hardware level.

M2Ys4U 6y ago
>In theory, mail-in voting carries these same problems, and we're about to hold the largest mail-in voting election ever. And the president is - right now - conducting a denial of service attack on it. If that doesn't show that remote voting is vulnerable I don't know what does...
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  The only reason for a big mail-in election is a historic exploit of an availability vulnerability of our in-person voting system, that it depends on lots and lots of (in practice, mostly older) people willing to spend a day in close contact with each other and other people for almost no pay. > And the president is - right now - conducting a denial of service attack on it. Or at least miming one, perhaps to provide political cover for Republican-governed swing state legislatures, seeing the problems of in-person voting in the pandemic and armed with the telegraphed disruption of vote by mail as cover and polling data as motivation, to simply exercise their prerogative to cancel public voting and assign a set of Presidential electors without it, which the Republican control of the Senate can guarantee withstand any challenge in the electoral vote count. If he really wanted electoral chaos by disrupting vote-by-mail, there'd by no reason to telegraph it; the reason to telegraph it is because he desires a response that it either provokes or justifies, as much, more than, or perhaps even instead of the disruption itself.

flavor8 6y ago

Just because the blockchain is public doesn't mean that the identity of voters is public. You know which one your vote is; that information isn't otherwise public. When you vote right now, your vote is (theoretically) tied to your identity, because every ballot has an id tied to it, so it's not like you'd be giving up any more anonymity than you had. I don't know of any practical fully anonymous election systems that are post-hoc verifiable, but maybe somebody does.

koheripbal 6y ago

This is possible today anyway. People can take a picture of their ballot in the booth. Hell, with mail-in voting, you can literally go door-to-door and buy mail-in ballots.

the_snooze 6y ago
>People can take a picture of their ballot in the booth. This is insufficient. In-person paper voting allows the voter to toss out their marked ballot and get a fresh one. You can take a photo of your ballot, but it's hard to prove that's what you actually casted. Poll workers will tell you to put your camera away near the ballot box, to protect other voters' privacy as they submit their completed ballots.

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