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Do you have any personal data on lean muscle loss? What Dr. Phinney of 'Low Carb Performance Fame' said that you are losing ~0.25lb/day of lean muscle mass. Tha

Do you have any personal data on lean muscle loss? What Dr. Phinney of 'Low Carb Performance Fame' said that you are losing ~0.25lb/day of lean muscle mass. That is pretty catastrophic in my opinion.

beagle3 6y ago
From n=1 experience, if you exercise while water fasting you hardly lose any muscle, but if you don't, you lose a lot of muscle and quite quickly. (Which makes sense - maintaining muscles costs both energy and protein - if you have no intake and they are not in use, why spend that?)
- haltingproblem 6y ago
  In your personal experience, if you exercise when you are waterfasting, you maintain muscle. That is pretty cool, can you share your exercise routine? The parent commenter noted that exercising while fasting might be painful and I would appreciate hearing what you do. Thanks!
  - beagle3 6y ago
    Mostly running at a leisurely pace - most people use many of their muscles when they run - I was doing 5km three times a week. Additionally, I was doing 2x1hr a week of karate practice (a whole body workout), And the occasional random set of 20 pushups / 20 sit-ups / 20 squats, probably 2-3 times a day. I should note that anything aerobic like running was easy, anything anaerobic (like karate sparring) was not, but it wasn’t painful either. I did pay attention to electrolytes - especially magnesium and potasssiun - I got cramps when water fasting and not supplementing. I know my body well, and I think that’s essential to be able to continue - e.g. to know it is magnesium that’s needed now, and not (as one might think) the body is eating itself. Don’t know how to learn that skill though.
    - haltingproblem 6y ago
      Thank you, that is helpful. Good luck and keep going and keep sharing. We all need to get with it and take responsibility of our own health.
bitL 6y ago
I've read various takes, some say that if you don't eat anything at all, then you lose 100-150g of muscles each week, but if you eat just a little, the muscle loss is considerable.
- haltingproblem 6y ago
  In your experience, no exercise, no eating ==> no muscle loss?
  - bitL 6y ago
    I tried to do a lighter version of HIIT which got progressively more difficult each day as I read it could prevent loss of muscles and was short enough to finish it with the reserves that built overnight.

Do you have any personal data on lean muscle loss? What Dr. Phinney of 'Low Carb Performance Fame' said that you are losing ~0.25lb/day of lean muscle mass. That is pretty catastrophic in my opinion.

beagle3 6y ago

From n=1 experience, if you exercise while water fasting you hardly lose any muscle, but if you don't, you lose a lot of muscle and quite quickly. (Which makes sense - maintaining muscles costs both energy and protein - if you have no intake and they are not in use, why spend that?)

haltingproblem 6y ago
In your personal experience, if you exercise when you are waterfasting, you maintain muscle. That is pretty cool, can you share your exercise routine? The parent commenter noted that exercising while fasting might be painful and I would appreciate hearing what you do. Thanks!
- beagle3 6y ago
  Mostly running at a leisurely pace - most people use many of their muscles when they run - I was doing 5km three times a week. Additionally, I was doing 2x1hr a week of karate practice (a whole body workout), And the occasional random set of 20 pushups / 20 sit-ups / 20 squats, probably 2-3 times a day. I should note that anything aerobic like running was easy, anything anaerobic (like karate sparring) was not, but it wasn’t painful either. I did pay attention to electrolytes - especially magnesium and potasssiun - I got cramps when water fasting and not supplementing. I know my body well, and I think that’s essential to be able to continue - e.g. to know it is magnesium that’s needed now, and not (as one might think) the body is eating itself. Don’t know how to learn that skill though.
  - haltingproblem 6y ago
    Thank you, that is helpful. Good luck and keep going and keep sharing. We all need to get with it and take responsibility of our own health.

bitL 6y ago

I've read various takes, some say that if you don't eat anything at all, then you lose 100-150g of muscles each week, but if you eat just a little, the muscle loss is considerable.

haltingproblem 6y ago
In your experience, no exercise, no eating ==> no muscle loss?
- bitL 6y ago
  I tried to do a lighter version of HIIT which got progressively more difficult each day as I read it could prevent loss of muscles and was short enough to finish it with the reserves that built overnight.