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Not OP, but I fancy this rough theory: According to armchair psychologists and a joke, the answer to every psychological question is 'your mother'. If you loo

by mvn9 6y ago

Not OP, but I fancy this rough theory: According to armchair psychologists and a joke, the answer to every psychological question is 'your mother'. If you look at ways to deal with conflicts [1], it could be that being transgender is a form of dealing with inner conflicts. Being autistic means that there is some distortion (no judgement intended) in the relationship to other people. The distortion most likely originates from the first relationship, i.e. the relationship to the mother. Since there is a need for a fulfilled relationship, it will be fulfilled by one way or another. If e.g. the mother is absent, then the mind looks for another way to fulfil it. One way for fulfilment is becoming the desired object itself. So, to bring it to a point: Autism can origin from an absent mother. One way to replace the need for a mother is becoming a female object for others. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_mechanism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_mechanism

throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
I think you're overthinking it :) Trans people I know just feel wrong in their bodies. It looks wrong, it feels wrong. There seems no need to suppose it was right at first then got distorted by relationship problems to the point you want your male genitals removed (I know a tgirl who is waiting for that).
- ponker 6y ago
  You’re not allowed to say it, apparently, but there is/was evidence that it can be acquired: https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/brown-university-criticized-over-removal-transgender-study-n906741 https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/brown-university-cri...
  - 666lumberjack 6y ago
    The paper that article references was discredited for being bad science, not because of any kind of agenda. They collected their 'data' by surveying parents on online forums - most of them explicitly anti-trans / 'gender critical' - instead of from transgender youth or medical professionals.
    - aw1621107 6y ago
      To expand on this a bit, the paper can be found at [0] and a notice of republication can be found at [1]. The study's "Methods" section reads in part: > For this descriptive, exploratory study, recruitment information with a link to a 90-question survey, consisting of multiple-choice, Likert-type and open-ended questions was placed on three websites where parents had reported sudden or rapid onsets of gender dysphoria occurring in their teen or young adult children. The study’s eligibility criteria included parental response that their child had a sudden or rapid onset of gender dysphoria and parental indication that their child’s gender dysphoria began during or after puberty. To maximize the chances of finding cases meeting eligibility criteria, the three websites (4thwavenow, transgender trend, and youthtranscriticalprofessionals) were selected for targeted recruitment. Website moderators and potential participants were encouraged to share the recruitment information and link to the survey with any individuals or communities that they thought might include eligible participants to expand the reach of the project through snowball sampling techniques. The online forums surveyed were: - 4thwavenow, which describes itself as "A community of people who question the medicalization of gender-atypical youth" - transgender trend, whose opening paragraph states "This site is for everyone who is concerned about the social and medical ‘transition’ of children, the introduction of ‘gender identity’ teaching into schools and new policies and legislation based on subjective ideas of ‘gender’ rather than the biological reality of sex." - youthtranscriticalprofessionals, whose site appears to be defunct at this time. [0]: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0202330 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal... [1]: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0214157 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...
chownie 6y ago
I'd pursue a different avenue honestly. Autism as I understand it is a difference in brain development, it is not something you can cause by wanting. Your same logic has previously been tried on gay men too varying levels of insistence, it hasn't stuck yet. Autistic people somewhat commonly experience Alexithymia, which is an inability to understand their own feelings. The common example is an autistic person chronically dehydrated because they cannot identify their own sensation of thirst. Emotions are also physical sensations. I think a much more promising angle is to look at incidence of Alexithymia and gender dysphoria.
ponker 6y ago
Emphasis on the “armchair”
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by mvn9 6y ago

throwaway_pdp09 6y ago

I think you're overthinking it :) Trans people I know just feel wrong in their bodies. It looks wrong, it feels wrong. There seems no need to suppose it was right at first then got distorted by relationship problems to the point you want your male genitals removed (I know a tgirl who is waiting for that).

ponker 6y ago
You’re not allowed to say it, apparently, but there is/was evidence that it can be acquired: https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/brown-university-criticized-over-removal-transgender-study-n906741 https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/brown-university-cri...
- 666lumberjack 6y ago
  The paper that article references was discredited for being bad science, not because of any kind of agenda. They collected their 'data' by surveying parents on online forums - most of them explicitly anti-trans / 'gender critical' - instead of from transgender youth or medical professionals.
  - aw1621107 6y ago
    To expand on this a bit, the paper can be found at [0] and a notice of republication can be found at [1]. The study's "Methods" section reads in part: > For this descriptive, exploratory study, recruitment information with a link to a 90-question survey, consisting of multiple-choice, Likert-type and open-ended questions was placed on three websites where parents had reported sudden or rapid onsets of gender dysphoria occurring in their teen or young adult children. The study’s eligibility criteria included parental response that their child had a sudden or rapid onset of gender dysphoria and parental indication that their child’s gender dysphoria began during or after puberty. To maximize the chances of finding cases meeting eligibility criteria, the three websites (4thwavenow, transgender trend, and youthtranscriticalprofessionals) were selected for targeted recruitment. Website moderators and potential participants were encouraged to share the recruitment information and link to the survey with any individuals or communities that they thought might include eligible participants to expand the reach of the project through snowball sampling techniques. The online forums surveyed were: - 4thwavenow, which describes itself as "A community of people who question the medicalization of gender-atypical youth" - transgender trend, whose opening paragraph states "This site is for everyone who is concerned about the social and medical ‘transition’ of children, the introduction of ‘gender identity’ teaching into schools and new policies and legislation based on subjective ideas of ‘gender’ rather than the biological reality of sex." - youthtranscriticalprofessionals, whose site appears to be defunct at this time. [0]: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0202330 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal... [1]: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0214157 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

chownie 6y ago

I'd pursue a different avenue honestly. Autism as I understand it is a difference in brain development, it is not something you can cause by wanting. Your same logic has previously been tried on gay men too varying levels of insistence, it hasn't stuck yet. Autistic people somewhat commonly experience Alexithymia, which is an inability to understand their own feelings. The common example is an autistic person chronically dehydrated because they cannot identify their own sensation of thirst. Emotions are also physical sensations. I think a much more promising angle is to look at incidence of Alexithymia and gender dysphoria.

ponker 6y ago

Emphasis on the “armchair”

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