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We're 3/4 of the way there, infections growing at the fastest rate yet, and no vaccine yet. It looks like 1 million will fall short of actual deaths by the time

We're 3/4 of the way there, infections growing at the fastest rate yet, and no vaccine yet. It looks like 1 million will fall short of actual deaths by the time this is through.

listenallyall 6y ago
oh, so now Covid deaths outside of the USA are Trump's fault too?
- smt88 6y ago
  He deported Covid-positive people to Guatemala and has worked against the WHO, so... some of them, yes.
  - listenallyall 6y ago
    This comment is logically inconsistent. If the USA's handling of Covid is so awful, then by definition an infected person would get better treatment somewhere else, like Guatemala.
    - darksaints 6y ago
      The USAs handling isn't awful because the treatment is poor, it is awful because infection rates are high. And yes, that is 100% on Trump.
      - listenallyall 6y ago
        you're a funny guy. hyperbole much?
        darksaints 6y ago
        Don't you find it exhausting trying to defend a president that is dumber than you? I don't know how you do it. Your partisan loyalty is not worth your mental health.
        listenallyall 6y ago
        When did I defend Trump? All I've stated is that Covid isn't his fault. What seems exhausting to me is spinning every single thing that happens to somehow be the fault of one single person. He's not a monarch, not a dictator, and his power, by design, is quite limited. Why not get rid of governors, state and city governments, Congress, heads of CDC and FDA, postmasters general, school boards, hospital admins, etc. if they have no agency -- if all their decisions are inconsequential? You've already stated Trump is 100% to blame... therefore, everyone else must be at zero. Stop wasting mental energy on how to blame Trump (or inventing fairy tales where some alternative president would have cured it) and direct it towards something productive.
        darksaints 6y ago
        Jacinda Ardern also has limited power. But she's an actual competent leader. One who didn't fart around pretending nothing was wrong for months while competent advisors said the exact opposite. One who didn't act like they got blindsided and started shifting blame after months of doing nothing. One who didn't peddle fake cures and hold mask-optional campaign rallies that directly led to the deaths of his own supporters. And as it turns out, by being a competent leader, you can actually do a hell of a lot without having absolute power. Yes. Trump is 100% to blame. Hundreds of thousands of people died, whereas if we had Jacinda, maybe a couple hundred.
        listenallyall 6y ago
        >> whereas if we had Jacinda, maybe a couple hundred. Lol, no rational person believes that. The USA is not a small, remote, island nation. https://time.com/5824042/new-zealand-coronavirus-elimination/ https://time.com/5824042/new-zealand-coronavirus-elimination... Yet if Trump copied Ms. Ardern's lead and postponed our national election in Nov, I'm sure you'd tell me why it was an outrageous and illegal maneuver. This conversation serves no purpose.
        darksaints 6y ago

We're 3/4 of the way there, infections growing at the fastest rate yet, and no vaccine yet. It looks like 1 million will fall short of actual deaths by the time this is through.

listenallyall 6y ago

oh, so now Covid deaths outside of the USA are Trump's fault too?

smt88 6y ago
He deported Covid-positive people to Guatemala and has worked against the WHO, so... some of them, yes.
- listenallyall 6y ago
  This comment is logically inconsistent. If the USA's handling of Covid is so awful, then by definition an infected person would get better treatment somewhere else, like Guatemala.
  - darksaints 6y ago
    The USAs handling isn't awful because the treatment is poor, it is awful because infection rates are high. And yes, that is 100% on Trump.
    - listenallyall 6y ago
      you're a funny guy. hyperbole much?
      - darksaints 6y ago
        Don't you find it exhausting trying to defend a president that is dumber than you? I don't know how you do it. Your partisan loyalty is not worth your mental health.
        listenallyall 6y ago
        When did I defend Trump? All I've stated is that Covid isn't his fault. What seems exhausting to me is spinning every single thing that happens to somehow be the fault of one single person. He's not a monarch, not a dictator, and his power, by design, is quite limited. Why not get rid of governors, state and city governments, Congress, heads of CDC and FDA, postmasters general, school boards, hospital admins, etc. if they have no agency -- if all their decisions are inconsequential? You've already stated Trump is 100% to blame... therefore, everyone else must be at zero. Stop wasting mental energy on how to blame Trump (or inventing fairy tales where some alternative president would have cured it) and direct it towards something productive.
        darksaints 6y ago
        Jacinda Ardern also has limited power. But she's an actual competent leader. One who didn't fart around pretending nothing was wrong for months while competent advisors said the exact opposite. One who didn't act like they got blindsided and started shifting blame after months of doing nothing. One who didn't peddle fake cures and hold mask-optional campaign rallies that directly led to the deaths of his own supporters. And as it turns out, by being a competent leader, you can actually do a hell of a lot without having absolute power. Yes. Trump is 100% to blame. Hundreds of thousands of people died, whereas if we had Jacinda, maybe a couple hundred.
        listenallyall 6y ago
        >> whereas if we had Jacinda, maybe a couple hundred. Lol, no rational person believes that. The USA is not a small, remote, island nation. https://time.com/5824042/new-zealand-coronavirus-elimination/ https://time.com/5824042/new-zealand-coronavirus-elimination... Yet if Trump copied Ms. Ardern's lead and postponed our national election in Nov, I'm sure you'd tell me why it was an outrageous and illegal maneuver. This conversation serves no purpose.
        darksaints 6y ago