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Is calling for the release of a million Uyghurs from re-education camps an “arbitrary humanitarian reason”?

by xref 6y ago

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free_rms 6y ago
... yes? Nobody gives a shit about outcomes for Iraqis, Afghans, Yemenis, Palestinians... But all of a sudden we're super occupied with muslim rights when China is involved. Seems arbitrary to me.
- newen 6y ago
  A million Iraqis murdered by the US vs a million Uyghurs in reeducation/work camps by China. Frankly, the second option is more preferable to me and I'm sure the million dead Iraqis would agree.
  - remarkEon 6y ago
    The difference is that except for the leftover Neocon vanguard of Bill Kristol and Max Boot, no one is actually saying the Iraq War was a good thing, and no one making a serious argument about that war's history is claiming that the US "set out to murder one million Iraqis". These kinds of takes are meant to be reductionist ploys used to excuse the behavior of PRC by implying that there is some kind of moral equivalency between these events, which are separated by half a planet (literally) of context. Also, it might be wise to speak with some people who lived under actual oppressive/authoritarian regimes - like the Taliban or the Soviet Union - before making a claim that living that way is always preferable to death.
    - redis_mlc 6y ago
      > no one is actually saying the Iraq War was a good thing I am. The Iraq war was inevitable after Hussein built a massive army and declared himself the next Suleiman, and invaded Kuwait with Saudi Arabia being next. Any serious historian or military analyst would come to the same conclusion.
    - newen 6y ago
      Right. And you think people in the Chinese government set out to put a million Uyghurs in work camps while being criticized by the world? I’m sure it was done in the name of containing terrorism and extremism and it’s something they constantly justify to their population. Stop seeing China as some bogeyman.
      - remarkEon 6y ago
        I don't see China as a bogeyman. I see them as a rising power with global aims, and an explicit objective of suplanting the United States as the premier global power. It seems reasonable to ask questions about whether or not that is a good thing, both for the rest of the world and for the people of the United States. Fair?
- xref 6y ago
  That’s just empty whataboutism, a disingenuous form of discussion used to excuse atrocities. “Why are you singling out slavery in America, African tribes had slaves too!”
  - free_rms 6y ago
    This was a thread about tiktok. Why did xinjiang come up in the first place? People are obsessed with hating on China, and it's clearly based on national rivalry and a feeling of threat to america's position moreso than human rights.

Is calling for the release of a million Uyghurs from re-education camps an “arbitrary humanitarian reason”?

by xref 6y ago

Is calling for the release of a million Uyghurs from re-education camps an “arbitrary humanitarian reason”?

deleted 6y ago

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free_rms 6y ago

... yes? Nobody gives a shit about outcomes for Iraqis, Afghans, Yemenis, Palestinians... But all of a sudden we're super occupied with muslim rights when China is involved. Seems arbitrary to me.

newen 6y ago
A million Iraqis murdered by the US vs a million Uyghurs in reeducation/work camps by China. Frankly, the second option is more preferable to me and I'm sure the million dead Iraqis would agree.
- remarkEon 6y ago
  The difference is that except for the leftover Neocon vanguard of Bill Kristol and Max Boot, no one is actually saying the Iraq War was a good thing, and no one making a serious argument about that war's history is claiming that the US "set out to murder one million Iraqis". These kinds of takes are meant to be reductionist ploys used to excuse the behavior of PRC by implying that there is some kind of moral equivalency between these events, which are separated by half a planet (literally) of context. Also, it might be wise to speak with some people who lived under actual oppressive/authoritarian regimes - like the Taliban or the Soviet Union - before making a claim that living that way is always preferable to death.
  - redis_mlc 6y ago
    > no one is actually saying the Iraq War was a good thing I am. The Iraq war was inevitable after Hussein built a massive army and declared himself the next Suleiman, and invaded Kuwait with Saudi Arabia being next. Any serious historian or military analyst would come to the same conclusion.
  - newen 6y ago
    Right. And you think people in the Chinese government set out to put a million Uyghurs in work camps while being criticized by the world? I’m sure it was done in the name of containing terrorism and extremism and it’s something they constantly justify to their population. Stop seeing China as some bogeyman.
    - remarkEon 6y ago
      I don't see China as a bogeyman. I see them as a rising power with global aims, and an explicit objective of suplanting the United States as the premier global power. It seems reasonable to ask questions about whether or not that is a good thing, both for the rest of the world and for the people of the United States. Fair?
xref 6y ago
That’s just empty whataboutism, a disingenuous form of discussion used to excuse atrocities. “Why are you singling out slavery in America, African tribes had slaves too!”
- free_rms 6y ago
  This was a thread about tiktok. Why did xinjiang come up in the first place? People are obsessed with hating on China, and it's clearly based on national rivalry and a feeling of threat to america's position moreso than human rights.