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"Wholly unfounded" ??? “They need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said in

"Wholly unfounded" ??? “They need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said in an interview with Fox Business’s Maria Bartiromo. “If they don’t get those two items, that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting because they’re not equipped to have it.”

TMWNN 6y ago
As I quoted earlier, Trump pointed out the fraud potential in doing so, especially given the little time remaining before ballots have to go out.
- sjwright 6y ago
  If underfunding the post office could combat fraud, that argument would make sense. In reality, a dysfunctional post office will have little effect on highly motivated fraudsters and will disenfranchise the millions of people for whom vote-by-mail isn't a mere convenience. In fact Trump's rhetoric will be especially motivating for pro-Trump fraudsters who will feel morally vindicated by the endless accusations of fraud by Democrats.
  - mindslight 6y ago
    You raise a good point. When Trump throws out an accusation, it's generally a smoke screen to distract from his own malfeasance. His campaign managers have to know that he's lost the moderate vote by gross incompetence and failure to lead. Perhaps the entire goal is to induce fraudulent voting by his remaining supporters.
  - derision 6y ago
    "Mail in voting" and "absentee voting" are two separate things. Trump issue is with the former, and has repeatedly advocated for the latter.
    - sjwright 6y ago
      That is a myth, they aren’t separate things. It’s just semantics which are being manipulated for political purposes. Trump, for example, is voting in the election under Florida’s “vote by mail” option because that’s what it’s called there. https://dos.myflorida.com/elections/for-voters/voting/ https://dos.myflorida.com/elections/for-voters/voting/
- fiblye 6y ago
  There isn't really any fraud. Oregon, a state with mail-on voting only, has a actual fraud rate of 1 in a million. One ballot per year is fraudulent. [1] This isn't about preventing fraud. Mail-in is proven to be secure. Take the words as exactly what they are--limiting votes. He directly states he wants to limit votes. There's no need to try searching around for other meanings when his statement is so direct. [1] https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/06/02/low-rates-of-fraud-in-vote-by-mail-states-show-the-benefits-outweigh-the-risks/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/06/02/low-rates-o...
  - TMWNN 6y ago
    >There isn't really any fraud. Oregon, a state with mail-on voting only, has a actual fraud rate of 1 in a million. One ballot per year is fraudulent. Oregon has also been 100% vote-by-mail for two decades. Other states cannot replicate Oregon's experience and infrastructure—often from scratch—by early October.
    - strbean 6y ago
      If only there were some way for people and institutions to learn from the experience of others... What a specious argument.

TMWNN 6y ago

As I quoted earlier, Trump pointed out the fraud potential in doing so, especially given the little time remaining before ballots have to go out.

sjwright 6y ago
If underfunding the post office could combat fraud, that argument would make sense. In reality, a dysfunctional post office will have little effect on highly motivated fraudsters and will disenfranchise the millions of people for whom vote-by-mail isn't a mere convenience. In fact Trump's rhetoric will be especially motivating for pro-Trump fraudsters who will feel morally vindicated by the endless accusations of fraud by Democrats.
- mindslight 6y ago
  You raise a good point. When Trump throws out an accusation, it's generally a smoke screen to distract from his own malfeasance. His campaign managers have to know that he's lost the moderate vote by gross incompetence and failure to lead. Perhaps the entire goal is to induce fraudulent voting by his remaining supporters.
- derision 6y ago
  "Mail in voting" and "absentee voting" are two separate things. Trump issue is with the former, and has repeatedly advocated for the latter.
  - sjwright 6y ago
    That is a myth, they aren’t separate things. It’s just semantics which are being manipulated for political purposes. Trump, for example, is voting in the election under Florida’s “vote by mail” option because that’s what it’s called there. https://dos.myflorida.com/elections/for-voters/voting/ https://dos.myflorida.com/elections/for-voters/voting/
fiblye 6y ago
There isn't really any fraud. Oregon, a state with mail-on voting only, has a actual fraud rate of 1 in a million. One ballot per year is fraudulent. [1] This isn't about preventing fraud. Mail-in is proven to be secure. Take the words as exactly what they are--limiting votes. He directly states he wants to limit votes. There's no need to try searching around for other meanings when his statement is so direct. [1] https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/06/02/low-rates-of-fraud-in-vote-by-mail-states-show-the-benefits-outweigh-the-risks/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/06/02/low-rates-o...
- TMWNN 6y ago
  >There isn't really any fraud. Oregon, a state with mail-on voting only, has a actual fraud rate of 1 in a million. One ballot per year is fraudulent. Oregon has also been 100% vote-by-mail for two decades. Other states cannot replicate Oregon's experience and infrastructure—often from scratch—by early October.
  - strbean 6y ago
    If only there were some way for people and institutions to learn from the experience of others... What a specious argument.