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I think a lot of people of any identity would agree with me... but are we outnumbered by those who are rigorously inspecting what toys a four-year-old is playin

I think a lot of people of any identity would agree with me... but are we outnumbered by those who are rigorously inspecting what toys a four-year-old is playing with, as a lens towards gauging their future conformity to one traditional gender role or the other?

joshuamorton 6y ago
The deconstruction of gender norms is relatively common among gender-progressive people. You seem to be confusing inspecting toys for conformity and inspecting systems that encourage (or require) conformity. And it's much easier to attack or be concerned about straw-positions than actual ones. It's not problematic for someone to play with toys, or do things, stereotypical to their gender. It's a problem when they are encouraged (tacitly or not) or forced to stick within a predefined scope.
- empthought 6y ago
  This is an actual position, not a straw position. https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/parenting/a43702/transgender-child-kimberly-shappley/ https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/parenting/a43702/trans... The only way this person could resolve her discomfort at her child’s inclination to play with “girl things” was to start considering her a girl. Meanwhile where are the “gender-progressive” people sticking up for a two-year old’s right to play with whatever toys they want without sanction or punishment? Certainly not raising any concerns about this sort of story. Combine it with the well-documented higher incidence of gender nonconformity of cis gay people at a young age, we see many supposedly “progressive” people allowing the sentiment “better a straight daughter than a gay son” get normalized without challenge.
  - pseudalopex 6y ago
    The child "was verbalizing that she was a girl at least six times a day" and praying for her boy self to die. The mother talked to professionals. She only began to change her mind after a transgender teenager's suicide note made her realize her own child might commit suicide. Even then she studied and prayed for months. What makes you think the mother assumes her daughter will be straight?
    - empthought 6y ago
      Because she already knows he is a homosexual male, which ends up a straight trans woman.
      - pseudalopex 6y ago
        Less than 25% of trans people are straight.[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_sexuality#Sexual_orientation_distribution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_sexuality#Sexual_o...

joshuamorton 6y ago

The deconstruction of gender norms is relatively common among gender-progressive people. You seem to be confusing inspecting toys for conformity and inspecting systems that encourage (or require) conformity. And it's much easier to attack or be concerned about straw-positions than actual ones. It's not problematic for someone to play with toys, or do things, stereotypical to their gender. It's a problem when they are encouraged (tacitly or not) or forced to stick within a predefined scope.

empthought 6y ago
This is an actual position, not a straw position. https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/parenting/a43702/transgender-child-kimberly-shappley/ https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/parenting/a43702/trans... The only way this person could resolve her discomfort at her child’s inclination to play with “girl things” was to start considering her a girl. Meanwhile where are the “gender-progressive” people sticking up for a two-year old’s right to play with whatever toys they want without sanction or punishment? Certainly not raising any concerns about this sort of story. Combine it with the well-documented higher incidence of gender nonconformity of cis gay people at a young age, we see many supposedly “progressive” people allowing the sentiment “better a straight daughter than a gay son” get normalized without challenge.
- pseudalopex 6y ago
  The child "was verbalizing that she was a girl at least six times a day" and praying for her boy self to die. The mother talked to professionals. She only began to change her mind after a transgender teenager's suicide note made her realize her own child might commit suicide. Even then she studied and prayed for months. What makes you think the mother assumes her daughter will be straight?
  - empthought 6y ago
    Because she already knows he is a homosexual male, which ends up a straight trans woman.
    - pseudalopex 6y ago
      Less than 25% of trans people are straight.[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_sexuality#Sexual_orientation_distribution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_sexuality#Sexual_o...