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Have you heard of Abigail Shrier's book "The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters"? She was on Joe Rogan's podcast recently though I have yet to listen to i

Have you heard of Abigail Shrier's book "The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters"? She was on Joe Rogan's podcast recently though I have yet to listen to it. A quick search turned up, not surprisingly, some negative critiques and others that are more positive. If you have heard of it, or read it, I'd love to hear what you think of her position. I appreciate the offer to be part of a dialogue. I think it's important to improve understanding for people. As a white, middle aged (45) cismale I know I'm viewing a lot of this stuff through a very specific lens.

FriendlyNormie 6y ago
Shut the fuck up you sackless vermin. These lunatics need to be exterminated and you know it. Soon the police won’t be there to stop it.
claudeganon 6y ago
It don’t think it should be part of the conversation because it seems transparently little more than culture war scapegoating for an audience hungry for a moral panic. If you want a more considered text for a general audience, I’d recommend Brynn Tanehill’s, “Everything You Ever Wanted to Know about Trans (But Were Afraid to Ask).” Also useful is this point-by-point, sourced rebuttal to the misinformation Rogan repeatedly spreads (which references the above text): https://www.adamconover.net/adding-evidence-to-the-discussion-of-trans-issues-on-joe-rogans-podcast/ https://www.adamconover.net/adding-evidence-to-the-discussio...
- dx87 6y ago
  The part of the rebuttal about puberty blockers being 100% reversible seems outdated. The NHS recently said that there isn't enough information about puberty blockers to say for certain that there are no long-term side effects from their use.
- lemonberry 6y ago
  Thanks for the link and info.
leephillips 6y ago
This interview is well worth the time.
valenciarose 6y ago
It’s not sound and ultimately it’s based in the grief of people who believe they have somehow lost their child (or spouse, or sibling) because they transitioned. I don’t want to minimize the pain of people who have this mindset, no matter how destructive it is. Their sense of loss is genuine and it drives them to the same level of commitment that you see from parents who lose a child to a drunk driver. But, while the pain is real, the loss is either not real or is self-inflicted. Trans people leave the lives of people who won’t let them be themselves, but we don’t stop loving our family because we’re trans. More people are transitioning, at all ages. More of the people who do so are visible, because of modest reductions in stigma and because there’s no longer a requirement that we disappear and cut all ties (the medical establishment used to require this). Your typical 40-50 year old parent has no idea how many of the people they went to High School and College with are trans, because they were hidden. In much the same way people had no idea how many people were gay. So this looks like an explosive change. I do expect we will see much less late transition (later than early adulthood), because more of those trans people will transition earlier. So, why are more people transitioning? Because it’s possible and they understand it to be possible, not because there are more people who are trans. This is why it’s happening across all ages. I am a late transitioner. I started to transition as soon as I understood three things: that being trans and transitioning was a real thing, that I would not destroy my life by doing so, and that trans people can live happy fulfilled lives. What about desistance? Some small percentage of people who transition decide that it wasn’t right for them. Most of them because of oppression, but some because it doesn’t work for them. This is much smaller than the set of people who regret that they didn’t transition, or that they waited so long to do so. It’s lower than the rate of regret for any elective surgery. There is some risk that non-binary kids who emphatically reject their assigned sex at birth are getting social pressure to conform to the other end of the binary. The pressure to be not trans at all is still very high. High enough that I don’t worry about cis kids being pressured into transition. And there are many trans people who don’t need or want to transition, who find sufficient expression or acknowledgement in other ways. They aren’t less trans, you just don’t know they are.
- lemonberry 6y ago
  Thank you for the thoughtful response. I have no agenda here. I have one trans friend (that I know of). After seeing the topic on Rogan's podcast I did some quick searching online and it opened up a few lines of thought I hadn't considered or wasn't aware of. Edit: added "(that I know of)" to acknowledge my limited knowledge of my friend's gender or sexuality.
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Pfhreak 6y ago
I haven't heard of it. Reading the synopsis on Amazon suggests that it's not something I'd find much to agree with. While I do believe that trans identities are in the forefront of the discourse right now and that some folks might be inclined to question their identities more, I don't find the idea that kids are being forced into a craze very compelling. (Shrier's writing reminds me of the satanic panic of the 80s, where my parents were asking me if I was worshiping satan because I played D&D.) I went through, as an adult, a period where I was sure I was a trans woman, and I sought therapy. This led to experimentation and further discussions that no, that wasn't the right label for me. I do regret, even as someone who is masculine presenting most of the time, that I didn't have more of a choice in my hormonal changes during my teens. Many bodily changes via testosterone are irreversible, and it would have really helped me had someone said, "let's hold off on those changes for just a little bit so we can figure out what makes you feel right." So, that's a bit anecdotal, and it definitely doesn't apply to every child's situation, but I sure wish that we had the resources and available knowledge back then that we do now, because I probably would have taken a different path.
klyrs 6y ago
> Have you heard of Abigail Shrier's book "The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters"? She was on Joe Rogan's podcast recently though I have yet to listen to it. A quick search turned up, not surprisingly, some negative critiques and others that are more positive. So, you're asking an honest question, but it's pretty insensitive and I hope you're curious because this is the truth. Framing that as a curious question makes me wonder if you even read the title of the book -- the title is quite obviously meant to be antagonizing to trans people. So that's not a great start. But here we go. As for the contents of the book itself, it's little different from much trans-antagonistic pseudoscience and literature -- the main difference being that it's focused on guys rather than gals. It cherry-picks studies and anecdotes to promote harmful stereotypes, and presents trans-ness as a status symbol (it's not, it fucking sucks to be trans in the presence of cisgender people who know that). To address the "craze", we need only look at history. I'll use mine. In the 1990s, when I was in middle school, I noticed distinct feelings that I now understand to be gender dysphoria. I didn't get it at the time; but sexual orientation was quite the buzz, and I knew I was bi very early on. In the 2010s, our society underwent a phase transition on its view of trans people. I met some other trans people, had some curious conversations, and started to put the pieces together. It took me several years to overcome my transphobic cultural upbringing; and several more to overrule the same of my ex-spouse. Coming out was hard. As with many, I lost friends and family to their prejudice. But even so, it's way easier now than it was in the 90s or even the 00s. One commonality between trans and autistic people is that we don't always feel welcome around cis / allistic people. Not really knowing why, we form cliques of people who are feeling the same stuff. Many of the trans people I know are, yes, autistic, but also were outcasts as kids. In speaking with other late-transitioning people of my age, I've seen a pattern: others in our friends group have transitioned in the intervening years. Do groups of trans kids gravitate towards one another and have shared gender discoveries? Well duh, of course they do! It's not a "craze", it's a result of teenagers talking to eachother about their feelings, having appropriate language to talk about them, and having even the slimmest feeling of safety in coming out.
- hombre_fatal 6y ago
  It never says that the crazy describes all trans people. It doesn't call all trans fakes. You seem to even admit you didn't make it past the title with your uncharitable read, so how do you expect to respond to something it actually claims? It points out that there are some social contagion factors to some expressions in our youth. Which is completely reasonable given how much clout gives you in modern social media, for example. And that an impressionable girl with low self-esteem can suddenly "become trans" and win social favor, which I don't see how you could find unreasonable if you've ever been a teen. Maybe approach it a little more open-mindedly. You basically dismiss everyone in the book as just being unable to "cope with loss" which isn't much different than dismissing any group (like trans people) with some convenient reason that leaves your world-view untouched. Also not sure how your anecdote disproves the craze, especially since the craze is talking about the last 5 years. Your experience in the 90s has little bearing on 2020 where you get instant social proof on social media in some circles by putting a rainbow flag in your username. Times are different. You don't think social contagion could explain any part of the 800% increase in trans identity among the youth? I don't see how you couldn't believe that on any 800% increase in what the youth are doing. It's like amphetamine abuse among kids. I have extreme ADHD and to some degree depend on the drug to get what I want in life. Just because you could write a book about kids claiming to have ADHD just to get prescribed a great recreational drug (and I bet you could even call it a craze, as it seemed in uni) doesn't mean I can't have ADHD or that everyone is an abuser. I would consider myself weirdly defensive to the point of dismissing inconvenient truths if I were to believe that, yet that's what I see you doing. That you give yourself so much authority on trans matters, especially in response to such a reasonable point, is kind of an example of what I see as modern trans clout these days. Why wouldn't a teen want that? As the book points out, it's incredibly easy to "be trans" when the rest of your friend group in high school is suddenly on the non-binary spectrum unlike when you were a kid.
itronitron 6y ago
You might be interested in his interview with Dr. Debra Soh. There is a lot of misunderstanding among parents regarding what counseling/therapy psychologists can provide and that interview clarifies some recent changes.
sascha_sl 6y ago
I've watched the stream, and it painful. Not only is the book built on very little evidence, but Shrier just gets so many things wrong on stream, I have to wonder if she actually did her homework. Things that aren't even up for debate like effects of HRT, even in instances where it'd strengthen the optics of her argument. It doesn't help that Rogan only seems to have one hard opinion (legalize drugs) and seems to disagree with most of his guests very little, which makes for a good stage for his guests but not a very balanced discussion. I'm still hoping he'll eventually have a trans person on (that's not Debbie Hayton, Blair White or Buck Angel).
- chordalkeyboard 6y ago
  > I'm still hoping he'll eventually have a trans person on (that's not Debbie Hayton, Blair White or Buck Angel). why not one of them?
  - sascha_sl 6y ago
    I'm going to assume this is not a gotcha question. Debbie Hayton is trans exclusionary feminist, while being trans. She also writes on transgender topics for RT. I have no idea what her motivations are, she doesn't usually talk about them and in fact blocks people on twitter when they ask. Blair White is a transmedicalist, who is so concerned about her own validity as a trans person that she insists on narrow diagnostic critera that just about include her. This makes her popular with a certain crowd. Her take on trans people that aren't exactly like her has been inconsistent. For a critical discussion with her and someone confronting her with said inconsistencies, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o_yuAuzl6Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o_yuAuzl6Q Buck Angel is similarly a transmedicalist, but more by virtue of transitioning at a time where only extremely few trans people were allowed to transition. Buck is a bit of a special case as one of the first trans men to transition, but he heavily relates to the Harry Benjamin Standards of Care, about which you can read some fun things here: https://twitter.com/orclesbian/status/1190481639501160449 https://twitter.com/orclesbian/status/1190481639501160449 I'm not really opposed to either of these people being on JRE, but their views on trans people have already been represented on the show a few times, whereas I haven't really seen any more inclusive advocates discuss this issue with Rogan. This is part of a wider issue with the JRE guest selection, but that'd go too far for a HN comment already way too long.
DanBC 6y ago
> "The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters"? Some parents of trans children talk about "rapid onset gender dysphoria". They claim their child was happy until they got to about 12 and then all of a sudden BAMN they became trans because the Internet told them to. They'll sometimes claim that science supports them. There's no evidence that ROGD exists. It's a term that's only ever used by people who are trans-excluding, or by people debunking it. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/political-minds/202007/jk-rowling-and-the-chamber-trans-youth-misinformation https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/political-minds/2020... > The paper claims that there is a new diagnostic entity called "rapid-onset gender dysphoria." This term comes from a paper published in the journal PLoS One, in which the author anonymously surveyed parents recruited from websites that focus on the theory that trans youth identify as transgender due to "social contagion" and online influences. Unfortunately, the paper did not survey any of the youth themselves or their clinicians. The only thing the paper established is that some people online believe that youth rapidly become transgender as a result of watching trans-related content on Youtube and Reddit. article continues after advertisement > People should be aware that parents often think that transgender youth became transgender "all of a sudden," because youth were closeted prior to coming out, due to fear of family rejection. Presumably, youth with parents who believe being transgender is a disease would be likely to conceal their identity for prolonged periods of time. It would be important to interview the youth themselves to know if this were the case. https://medium.com/@KatyMontgomerie/jkrs-claims-part-6-lisa-littman-and-rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria-e1ffa4bb9ca9 https://medium.com/@KatyMontgomerie/jkrs-claims-part-6-lisa-... > There was a lot wrong with Littman’s paper. Firstly the study involved no trans people, just the parents of trans people. Secondly all of the participating parents were found on just a handful of websites such as “Transgender Trend” and “Youth Trans Critical Professionals”, which run forums specifically for unsupportive parents of trans kids. As JKR notes the controversial paper received a lot of criticism from within the scientific community: > "The journal took the paper offline and re-reviewed it before republishing it." > But it is deceptive of JKR to describe what happened in this way. The post-publication review resulted in major corrections to the paper and an apology from the editor of the journal. The editor noted “the corrected article now provides a better context of the work, as a report of parental observations, but not a clinically validated phenomenon or a diagnostic guideline”. For a comprehensive takedown of this paper see here. That last sentence links here: https://genderanalysis.net/2018/02/rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria-what-a-hoax-diagnosis-looks-like/ https://genderanalysis.net/2018/02/rapid-onset-gender-dyspho...

FriendlyNormie 6y ago

Shut the fuck up you sackless vermin. These lunatics need to be exterminated and you know it. Soon the police won’t be there to stop it.

claudeganon 6y ago

It don’t think it should be part of the conversation because it seems transparently little more than culture war scapegoating for an audience hungry for a moral panic. If you want a more considered text for a general audience, I’d recommend Brynn Tanehill’s, “Everything You Ever Wanted to Know about Trans (But Were Afraid to Ask).” Also useful is this point-by-point, sourced rebuttal to the misinformation Rogan repeatedly spreads (which references the above text): https://www.adamconover.net/adding-evidence-to-the-discussion-of-trans-issues-on-joe-rogans-podcast/ https://www.adamconover.net/adding-evidence-to-the-discussio...

dx87 6y ago
The part of the rebuttal about puberty blockers being 100% reversible seems outdated. The NHS recently said that there isn't enough information about puberty blockers to say for certain that there are no long-term side effects from their use.
lemonberry 6y ago
Thanks for the link and info.

leephillips 6y ago

This interview is well worth the time.

valenciarose 6y ago

It’s not sound and ultimately it’s based in the grief of people who believe they have somehow lost their child (or spouse, or sibling) because they transitioned. I don’t want to minimize the pain of people who have this mindset, no matter how destructive it is. Their sense of loss is genuine and it drives them to the same level of commitment that you see from parents who lose a child to a drunk driver. But, while the pain is real, the loss is either not real or is self-inflicted. Trans people leave the lives of people who won’t let them be themselves, but we don’t stop loving our family because we’re trans. More people are transitioning, at all ages. More of the people who do so are visible, because of modest reductions in stigma and because there’s no longer a requirement that we disappear and cut all ties (the medical establishment used to require this). Your typical 40-50 year old parent has no idea how many of the people they went to High School and College with are trans, because they were hidden. In much the same way people had no idea how many people were gay. So this looks like an explosive change. I do expect we will see much less late transition (later than early adulthood), because more of those trans people will transition earlier. So, why are more people transitioning? Because it’s possible and they understand it to be possible, not because there are more people who are trans. This is why it’s happening across all ages. I am a late transitioner. I started to transition as soon as I understood three things: that being trans and transitioning was a real thing, that I would not destroy my life by doing so, and that trans people can live happy fulfilled lives. What about desistance? Some small percentage of people who transition decide that it wasn’t right for them. Most of them because of oppression, but some because it doesn’t work for them. This is much smaller than the set of people who regret that they didn’t transition, or that they waited so long to do so. It’s lower than the rate of regret for any elective surgery. There is some risk that non-binary kids who emphatically reject their assigned sex at birth are getting social pressure to conform to the other end of the binary. The pressure to be not trans at all is still very high. High enough that I don’t worry about cis kids being pressured into transition. And there are many trans people who don’t need or want to transition, who find sufficient expression or acknowledgement in other ways. They aren’t less trans, you just don’t know they are.

lemonberry 6y ago
Thank you for the thoughtful response. I have no agenda here. I have one trans friend (that I know of). After seeing the topic on Rogan's podcast I did some quick searching online and it opened up a few lines of thought I hadn't considered or wasn't aware of. Edit: added "(that I know of)" to acknowledge my limited knowledge of my friend's gender or sexuality.

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Pfhreak 6y ago

I haven't heard of it. Reading the synopsis on Amazon suggests that it's not something I'd find much to agree with. While I do believe that trans identities are in the forefront of the discourse right now and that some folks might be inclined to question their identities more, I don't find the idea that kids are being forced into a craze very compelling. (Shrier's writing reminds me of the satanic panic of the 80s, where my parents were asking me if I was worshiping satan because I played D&D.) I went through, as an adult, a period where I was sure I was a trans woman, and I sought therapy. This led to experimentation and further discussions that no, that wasn't the right label for me. I do regret, even as someone who is masculine presenting most of the time, that I didn't have more of a choice in my hormonal changes during my teens. Many bodily changes via testosterone are irreversible, and it would have really helped me had someone said, "let's hold off on those changes for just a little bit so we can figure out what makes you feel right." So, that's a bit anecdotal, and it definitely doesn't apply to every child's situation, but I sure wish that we had the resources and available knowledge back then that we do now, because I probably would have taken a different path.

klyrs 6y ago

> Have you heard of Abigail Shrier's book "The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters"? She was on Joe Rogan's podcast recently though I have yet to listen to it. A quick search turned up, not surprisingly, some negative critiques and others that are more positive. So, you're asking an honest question, but it's pretty insensitive and I hope you're curious because this is the truth. Framing that as a curious question makes me wonder if you even read the title of the book -- the title is quite obviously meant to be antagonizing to trans people. So that's not a great start. But here we go. As for the contents of the book itself, it's little different from much trans-antagonistic pseudoscience and literature -- the main difference being that it's focused on guys rather than gals. It cherry-picks studies and anecdotes to promote harmful stereotypes, and presents trans-ness as a status symbol (it's not, it fucking sucks to be trans in the presence of cisgender people who know that). To address the "craze", we need only look at history. I'll use mine. In the 1990s, when I was in middle school, I noticed distinct feelings that I now understand to be gender dysphoria. I didn't get it at the time; but sexual orientation was quite the buzz, and I knew I was bi very early on. In the 2010s, our society underwent a phase transition on its view of trans people. I met some other trans people, had some curious conversations, and started to put the pieces together. It took me several years to overcome my transphobic cultural upbringing; and several more to overrule the same of my ex-spouse. Coming out was hard. As with many, I lost friends and family to their prejudice. But even so, it's way easier now than it was in the 90s or even the 00s. One commonality between trans and autistic people is that we don't always feel welcome around cis / allistic people. Not really knowing why, we form cliques of people who are feeling the same stuff. Many of the trans people I know are, yes, autistic, but also were outcasts as kids. In speaking with other late-transitioning people of my age, I've seen a pattern: others in our friends group have transitioned in the intervening years. Do groups of trans kids gravitate towards one another and have shared gender discoveries? Well duh, of course they do! It's not a "craze", it's a result of teenagers talking to eachother about their feelings, having appropriate language to talk about them, and having even the slimmest feeling of safety in coming out.

hombre_fatal 6y ago
It never says that the crazy describes all trans people. It doesn't call all trans fakes. You seem to even admit you didn't make it past the title with your uncharitable read, so how do you expect to respond to something it actually claims? It points out that there are some social contagion factors to some expressions in our youth. Which is completely reasonable given how much clout gives you in modern social media, for example. And that an impressionable girl with low self-esteem can suddenly "become trans" and win social favor, which I don't see how you could find unreasonable if you've ever been a teen. Maybe approach it a little more open-mindedly. You basically dismiss everyone in the book as just being unable to "cope with loss" which isn't much different than dismissing any group (like trans people) with some convenient reason that leaves your world-view untouched. Also not sure how your anecdote disproves the craze, especially since the craze is talking about the last 5 years. Your experience in the 90s has little bearing on 2020 where you get instant social proof on social media in some circles by putting a rainbow flag in your username. Times are different. You don't think social contagion could explain any part of the 800% increase in trans identity among the youth? I don't see how you couldn't believe that on any 800% increase in what the youth are doing. It's like amphetamine abuse among kids. I have extreme ADHD and to some degree depend on the drug to get what I want in life. Just because you could write a book about kids claiming to have ADHD just to get prescribed a great recreational drug (and I bet you could even call it a craze, as it seemed in uni) doesn't mean I can't have ADHD or that everyone is an abuser. I would consider myself weirdly defensive to the point of dismissing inconvenient truths if I were to believe that, yet that's what I see you doing. That you give yourself so much authority on trans matters, especially in response to such a reasonable point, is kind of an example of what I see as modern trans clout these days. Why wouldn't a teen want that? As the book points out, it's incredibly easy to "be trans" when the rest of your friend group in high school is suddenly on the non-binary spectrum unlike when you were a kid.

itronitron 6y ago

You might be interested in his interview with Dr. Debra Soh. There is a lot of misunderstanding among parents regarding what counseling/therapy psychologists can provide and that interview clarifies some recent changes.

sascha_sl 6y ago

I've watched the stream, and it painful. Not only is the book built on very little evidence, but Shrier just gets so many things wrong on stream, I have to wonder if she actually did her homework. Things that aren't even up for debate like effects of HRT, even in instances where it'd strengthen the optics of her argument. It doesn't help that Rogan only seems to have one hard opinion (legalize drugs) and seems to disagree with most of his guests very little, which makes for a good stage for his guests but not a very balanced discussion. I'm still hoping he'll eventually have a trans person on (that's not Debbie Hayton, Blair White or Buck Angel).

chordalkeyboard 6y ago
> I'm still hoping he'll eventually have a trans person on (that's not Debbie Hayton, Blair White or Buck Angel). why not one of them?
- sascha_sl 6y ago
  I'm going to assume this is not a gotcha question. Debbie Hayton is trans exclusionary feminist, while being trans. She also writes on transgender topics for RT. I have no idea what her motivations are, she doesn't usually talk about them and in fact blocks people on twitter when they ask. Blair White is a transmedicalist, who is so concerned about her own validity as a trans person that she insists on narrow diagnostic critera that just about include her. This makes her popular with a certain crowd. Her take on trans people that aren't exactly like her has been inconsistent. For a critical discussion with her and someone confronting her with said inconsistencies, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o_yuAuzl6Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o_yuAuzl6Q Buck Angel is similarly a transmedicalist, but more by virtue of transitioning at a time where only extremely few trans people were allowed to transition. Buck is a bit of a special case as one of the first trans men to transition, but he heavily relates to the Harry Benjamin Standards of Care, about which you can read some fun things here: https://twitter.com/orclesbian/status/1190481639501160449 https://twitter.com/orclesbian/status/1190481639501160449 I'm not really opposed to either of these people being on JRE, but their views on trans people have already been represented on the show a few times, whereas I haven't really seen any more inclusive advocates discuss this issue with Rogan. This is part of a wider issue with the JRE guest selection, but that'd go too far for a HN comment already way too long.

DanBC 6y ago

> "The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters"? Some parents of trans children talk about "rapid onset gender dysphoria". They claim their child was happy until they got to about 12 and then all of a sudden BAMN they became trans because the Internet told them to. They'll sometimes claim that science supports them. There's no evidence that ROGD exists. It's a term that's only ever used by people who are trans-excluding, or by people debunking it. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/political-minds/202007/jk-rowling-and-the-chamber-trans-youth-misinformation https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/political-minds/2020... > The paper claims that there is a new diagnostic entity called "rapid-onset gender dysphoria." This term comes from a paper published in the journal PLoS One, in which the author anonymously surveyed parents recruited from websites that focus on the theory that trans youth identify as transgender due to "social contagion" and online influences. Unfortunately, the paper did not survey any of the youth themselves or their clinicians. The only thing the paper established is that some people online believe that youth rapidly become transgender as a result of watching trans-related content on Youtube and Reddit. article continues after advertisement > People should be aware that parents often think that transgender youth became transgender "all of a sudden," because youth were closeted prior to coming out, due to fear of family rejection. Presumably, youth with parents who believe being transgender is a disease would be likely to conceal their identity for prolonged periods of time. It would be important to interview the youth themselves to know if this were the case. https://medium.com/@KatyMontgomerie/jkrs-claims-part-6-lisa-littman-and-rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria-e1ffa4bb9ca9 https://medium.com/@KatyMontgomerie/jkrs-claims-part-6-lisa-... > There was a lot wrong with Littman’s paper. Firstly the study involved no trans people, just the parents of trans people. Secondly all of the participating parents were found on just a handful of websites such as “Transgender Trend” and “Youth Trans Critical Professionals”, which run forums specifically for unsupportive parents of trans kids. As JKR notes the controversial paper received a lot of criticism from within the scientific community: > "The journal took the paper offline and re-reviewed it before republishing it." > But it is deceptive of JKR to describe what happened in this way. The post-publication review resulted in major corrections to the paper and an apology from the editor of the journal. The editor noted “the corrected article now provides a better context of the work, as a report of parental observations, but not a clinically validated phenomenon or a diagnostic guideline”. For a comprehensive takedown of this paper see here. That last sentence links here: https://genderanalysis.net/2018/02/rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria-what-a-hoax-diagnosis-looks-like/ https://genderanalysis.net/2018/02/rapid-onset-gender-dyspho...