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These images were rendered with a "white" bias. Facial features is one thing, but skin color is clearly not conveyed by statues, yet a clear choice was made her
by sengstrom 6y ago
These images were rendered with a "white" bias. Facial features is one thing, but skin color is clearly not conveyed by statues, yet a clear choice was made here.
- giantDinosaur 6y agoYou can't just claim this without suggesting what's actually wrong. What is wrong, and where are the good sources from which we can make a comparison? If you're just guessing then you're no better than this ML model.
- ummonk 6y agoGiven the preponderance of blonde emperors, it would be reasonable to assume emperors in general were rather light-skinned.
- bsanr 6y agoWhat is blond, in a two-thousand-year-old context? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMqZR3pqMjg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMqZR3pqMjg
- ummonk 6y agoIt doesn't matter. Non-white people without steppe ancestry are pretty much uniformly dark-haired and don't have names akin to "subflavum" for traditional hair colors, because light yellow/gold hair just isn't a thing, regardless of what exactly they conceive of as "yellow/gold".
- CMCDragonkai 6y agoAboriginal Australians have blonde hair arising independently.
- makapuf 6y agoPretty sure Augustus wasnt aboriginal Australian, though (I see your point)
- sengstrom 6y agoYet these renderings were not made with that choice.
- liability 6y agoThere are a fair few of them depicted as what I'd consider blonde. Augustus particularly.
- riffraff 6y agoAugustus was described as "subflavum" which is often translated as "blonde" but is more likely to mean "light brown". Sadly this _is_ an area which is indeed full of bias.
- liability 6y agoIs that not what 'blonde' generally is in adults? An image search for 'blonde man' returns men I'd consider 'blonde' which hair which seems objectively light brown (except those with obviously bleached highlights.)
- riffraff 6y agoI wouldn't know. The color of Augustus here[0] is definitely blonde for me, bordering on platinum, while what I meant is that it might as well have been darker, i.e. [1] which I would call "light chestnut". [0] https://voshart.com/ROMAN-EMPEROR-PROJECT https://voshart.com/ROMAN-EMPEROR-PROJECT [1] https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fae01.alicdn.com%2Fkf%2FHTB1Jee4LpXXXXaXXFXXq6xXFXXX4%2F2016-New-Short-Wavy-Light-Brown-Color-Glamorous-Fashion-Full-Synthetic-Hair-Men-Wigs.jpg_640x640.jpg&f=1&nofb=1 https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F...
- throwaway316943 6y agoThis whole white, brown, and black are races thing is the most juvenile incarnation of racism yet.
- PedroBatista 6y agoThere are countless texts ( written at that time ) describing them. This wasn't at the Jurassic age.
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