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Once you re-read your own comment that denies romantic and professional relationships could/should coexist, care to explain how exactly you conclude I was attac

Once you re-read your own comment that denies romantic and professional relationships could/should coexist, care to explain how exactly you conclude I was attacking a strawman? I gave an example that directly contradicts your generalized assertion that I pretty much disagree with ("you can either have a professional or romantic relationship") - call it proof by contradiction - as well as mentioning further survey data that contradicts you further.

jasonwatkinspdx 6y ago
I don't need to reread my own comment. I wrote it. You have to decide: is this relationship professional or not. There are certain conditions that preclude the former. The second biggest mistake I've made professionally was not understanding this (note: I was not the person with power) and it cost me deep into 6 figures. So kindly take your trivializing nonsense of what I'm saying elsewhere. You can have a professional relationship, or you can have a romantic one. One often starts before the other, and that's ok so long as consent and power are balanced through that progression. But blending of the two under ambiguous circumstances enables horrific abuse, and I won't pretend otherwise just because people fantasize themselves as the boss that gets to date everyone attractive in their office.
- rndgermandude 6y ago
  look who is attacking strawmen now. You had a bad experience, and I am sorry you did, honestly. I had my fair share of "bad dating" but never directly in the workplace so I can only relate to a degree. As I preemptively agreed, yes, power imbalances can lead to problems and abuse, and people need to be mindful of that and prevent or at least stop it. But still, that doesn't mean you get to run around trivializing the meaningful and loving relationships many many other people have as "wrong". Or get into the personal attack space by implying people who disagree with you such as myself just fantasize about abusing subordinates. wtf
  - jasonwatkinspdx 6y ago
    I said my anecdote was my personal mistake, not that is the sole basis of my opinion here. I've seen enough both personally and in the data to know what's real here. It's not some sort of injust crusade against otherwise healthy workplace relationships.

jasonwatkinspdx 6y ago

I don't need to reread my own comment. I wrote it. You have to decide: is this relationship professional or not. There are certain conditions that preclude the former. The second biggest mistake I've made professionally was not understanding this (note: I was not the person with power) and it cost me deep into 6 figures. So kindly take your trivializing nonsense of what I'm saying elsewhere. You can have a professional relationship, or you can have a romantic one. One often starts before the other, and that's ok so long as consent and power are balanced through that progression. But blending of the two under ambiguous circumstances enables horrific abuse, and I won't pretend otherwise just because people fantasize themselves as the boss that gets to date everyone attractive in their office.

rndgermandude 6y ago
look who is attacking strawmen now. You had a bad experience, and I am sorry you did, honestly. I had my fair share of "bad dating" but never directly in the workplace so I can only relate to a degree. As I preemptively agreed, yes, power imbalances can lead to problems and abuse, and people need to be mindful of that and prevent or at least stop it. But still, that doesn't mean you get to run around trivializing the meaningful and loving relationships many many other people have as "wrong". Or get into the personal attack space by implying people who disagree with you such as myself just fantasize about abusing subordinates. wtf
- jasonwatkinspdx 6y ago
  I said my anecdote was my personal mistake, not that is the sole basis of my opinion here. I've seen enough both personally and in the data to know what's real here. It's not some sort of injust crusade against otherwise healthy workplace relationships.