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As Homer Simpson noted^, jealousy and envy mean different things. If you're jealous, you're worried someone will take something away from you, whereas an enviou

As Homer Simpson noted^, jealousy and envy mean different things. If you're jealous, you're worried someone will take something away from you, whereas an envious person just wants to get other people's success for themself. ^ https://youtu.be/Tmx1jpqv3RA https://youtu.be/Tmx1jpqv3RA

yodsanklai 6y ago
> If you're jealous, you're worried someone will take something away from you I'm not a native speaker, but my (Apple) dictionary definition doesn't match Lisa's. jeal·ous | ˈjeləs | adjective feeling or showing envy of someone or their achievements and advantages: he grew jealous of her success.
kubanczyk 6y ago
Well, the New Oxford doesn't agree with Homer Simpson then.
jfk13 6y ago
That's only one of several meanings of "jealousy". Excerpted from the OED: > 3. Solicitude or anxiety for the preservation or well-being of something; vigilance in guarding a possession from loss or damage. > 4. The state of mind arising from the suspicion, apprehension, or knowledge of rivalry: > b. in respect of success or advantage: Fear of losing some good through the rivalry of another; resentment or ill-will towards another on account of advantage or superiority, possible or actual, on his part; envy, grudge. You're focusing on definition (3), but ignoring other aspects found in (4.b).
to1y 6y ago
Where did this idea come from and why is it so often claimed? Never in my life have I heard someone use 'jealousy' in that context, yet it seems to be widely accepted fact on the internet.
- ayyy 6y ago
  When I google "define jealous" and "define envy", I read it the same as Homer. I think it's one of those pre-internet "facts" people learned in school. If you're not aware, "literally" also now literally means "figuratively". It's memes all the way down.
  - spanhandler 6y ago
    To me that meaning checks out, but is a bit archaic. It’s how you might see it used in an older translation of the Bible, or a 19th century translation of the Greek tragedians, or maybe Tolkien, or something like that. Modern, and especially colloquial, usage tends to be as a synonym of “envious”, so far as I know. “I’m jealous of her hair”. “His Instagram posts of his beach house make me so jealous”. “Stop mocking her car—you’re just jealous”. I don’t think I’ve ever heard or seen the older meaning intended in colloquial speech or all but the stuffiest of writing in the last 20+ years. So, as is typical, two useful words have become one word through misuse.

yodsanklai 6y ago

> If you're jealous, you're worried someone will take something away from you I'm not a native speaker, but my (Apple) dictionary definition doesn't match Lisa's. jeal·ous | ˈjeləs | adjective feeling or showing envy of someone or their achievements and advantages: he grew jealous of her success.

kubanczyk 6y ago

Well, the New Oxford doesn't agree with Homer Simpson then.

jfk13 6y ago

That's only one of several meanings of "jealousy". Excerpted from the OED: > 3. Solicitude or anxiety for the preservation or well-being of something; vigilance in guarding a possession from loss or damage. > 4. The state of mind arising from the suspicion, apprehension, or knowledge of rivalry: > b. in respect of success or advantage: Fear of losing some good through the rivalry of another; resentment or ill-will towards another on account of advantage or superiority, possible or actual, on his part; envy, grudge. You're focusing on definition (3), but ignoring other aspects found in (4.b).

to1y 6y ago

Where did this idea come from and why is it so often claimed? Never in my life have I heard someone use 'jealousy' in that context, yet it seems to be widely accepted fact on the internet.

ayyy 6y ago
When I google "define jealous" and "define envy", I read it the same as Homer. I think it's one of those pre-internet "facts" people learned in school. If you're not aware, "literally" also now literally means "figuratively". It's memes all the way down.
- spanhandler 6y ago
  To me that meaning checks out, but is a bit archaic. It’s how you might see it used in an older translation of the Bible, or a 19th century translation of the Greek tragedians, or maybe Tolkien, or something like that. Modern, and especially colloquial, usage tends to be as a synonym of “envious”, so far as I know. “I’m jealous of her hair”. “His Instagram posts of his beach house make me so jealous”. “Stop mocking her car—you’re just jealous”. I don’t think I’ve ever heard or seen the older meaning intended in colloquial speech or all but the stuffiest of writing in the last 20+ years. So, as is typical, two useful words have become one word through misuse.