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Ask web developers if they would like to loose flexbox and grid again. The thing about balancing tags is a red herring. The HTML parsing logic is not the compl

by goto11 6y ago

Ask web developers if they would like to loose flexbox and grid again. The thing about balancing tags is a red herring. The HTML parsing logic is not the complex and slow part in a web browser.

Razengan 6y ago
Being able to develop web pages with something like SwiftUI would be heaven.
- andrewnc 6y ago
  Does Flutter fill that niche?
  - cjaybo 6y ago
    Flutter for web still has quite a few issues that many consider to be deal breakers when considering it for real world use.
    - fils 6y ago
      what are they.... I would be interested in them as I have been wanting to get time to look at flutter for the web
      - deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
      - pjmlp 6y ago
        Flutter for the Web is basically Flash without the tools that made Flash great. WebAssembly + Skia engine via WebGL. Using a programming language that only matters in the context of Flutter applications.
dmitryminkovsky 6y ago
I'm thinking the opposite: lose floats. I definitely want to keep flex and grid. A team at FB implemented flex to power React Native. I'm thinking that effort was made much easier given that they didn't have to account for floats, etc.
- zzo38computer 6y ago
  I would be OK to get rid of all CSS and other styling, and make it up to the user preferences instead how big a <h1> text is, how big a <h2> text is, how big the normal text is, what colours to use, what fonts are in use, etc. Make a more user-oriented specification, designed primarily for the user to control, assuming the user is an expert at it, rather than the author of the document.
  - warkdarrior 6y ago
    > assuming the user is an expert at it, rather than the author of the document But the user is NOT an expert at styling a website, this is why we have designers to figure out which combination of layout, fonts, and colors work well together.
    - zzo38computer 6y ago
      Well, they will make styles that are slow and/or that many users do not like. Instead, let it be subject to the user configuration; the web browser designer can put in suitable default settings.
      - yoz-y 6y ago
        Expert users can already do this using extensions though.
    - calvinmorrison 6y ago
      Users generally don't give a shit about styling as much as UX designers justifying thier salaries. There are probably more people who suffer daily from accessibility on the web than UX designers in total

by goto11 6y ago

Ask web developers if they would like to loose flexbox and grid again. The thing about balancing tags is a red herring. The HTML parsing logic is not the complex and slow part in a web browser.

Razengan 6y ago

Being able to develop web pages with something like SwiftUI would be heaven.

andrewnc 6y ago
Does Flutter fill that niche?
- cjaybo 6y ago
  Flutter for web still has quite a few issues that many consider to be deal breakers when considering it for real world use.
  - fils 6y ago
    what are they.... I would be interested in them as I have been wanting to get time to look at flutter for the web
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      Flutter for the Web is basically Flash without the tools that made Flash great. WebAssembly + Skia engine via WebGL. Using a programming language that only matters in the context of Flutter applications.

dmitryminkovsky 6y ago

I'm thinking the opposite: lose floats. I definitely want to keep flex and grid. A team at FB implemented flex to power React Native. I'm thinking that effort was made much easier given that they didn't have to account for floats, etc.

zzo38computer 6y ago
I would be OK to get rid of all CSS and other styling, and make it up to the user preferences instead how big a <h1> text is, how big a <h2> text is, how big the normal text is, what colours to use, what fonts are in use, etc. Make a more user-oriented specification, designed primarily for the user to control, assuming the user is an expert at it, rather than the author of the document.
- warkdarrior 6y ago
  > assuming the user is an expert at it, rather than the author of the document But the user is NOT an expert at styling a website, this is why we have designers to figure out which combination of layout, fonts, and colors work well together.
  - zzo38computer 6y ago
    Well, they will make styles that are slow and/or that many users do not like. Instead, let it be subject to the user configuration; the web browser designer can put in suitable default settings.
    - yoz-y 6y ago
      Expert users can already do this using extensions though.
  - calvinmorrison 6y ago
    Users generally don't give a shit about styling as much as UX designers justifying thier salaries. There are probably more people who suffer daily from accessibility on the web than UX designers in total