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> Google + Chrome did more bad for the web than Microsoft + IE ever dreamt of doing. I'm not sure that's really true. Do you remember the bad old IE days? Half

by cure 6y ago

> Google + Chrome did more bad for the web than Microsoft + IE ever dreamt of doing. I'm not sure that's really true. Do you remember the bad old IE days? Half the web was simply broken on non-Microsoft operating systems, because Microsoft refused to follow standards. They built proprietary extensions to the web, which the rest of the world - and particularly the open source world - had to reverse engineer and spend ridiculous amounts of effort to implement. And despite all that effort, we often never managed to do it - cough _ActiveX_ cough. The situation back then was much, much worse than today in terms of open standards and cross-browser (let alone cross-OS) compatibility. And that was pretty much Microsoft's fault. Google and Chrome have lots of problems. But they build on top of Chromium, which is completely open source. It does not have 100% of the features of Chrome, but from a practical perspective that seems to be mostly a non-issue, at least for me.

mulmen 6y ago
Microsoft broke the web in more spectacular ways than Google. Even IE6 itself didn’t always work properly. But Google has done more lasting damage I think. The effects are more subtle, things work. ...The way Google wants. We may never know what was crushed or lost by submitting to Google’s will. So the harm will be less visible.
ahupp 6y ago
"They built proprietary extensions to the web, which the rest of the world - and particularly the open source world - had to reverse engineer and spend ridiculous amounts of effort to implement." One example is XHR, which is probably the single defining feature of the modern web. Good standards simply codify whatever "proprietary" features we've found are useful.
ksec 6y ago
Remember most people shit on Chrome and Webkit as the new IE think of IE era as IE 7. It is like a kid just a saw a few rounds of cross fire than ran and tell the world how is was like World War 2.

by cure 6y ago

mulmen 6y ago

Microsoft broke the web in more spectacular ways than Google. Even IE6 itself didn’t always work properly. But Google has done more lasting damage I think. The effects are more subtle, things work. ...The way Google wants. We may never know what was crushed or lost by submitting to Google’s will. So the harm will be less visible.

ahupp 6y ago

"They built proprietary extensions to the web, which the rest of the world - and particularly the open source world - had to reverse engineer and spend ridiculous amounts of effort to implement." One example is XHR, which is probably the single defining feature of the modern web. Good standards simply codify whatever "proprietary" features we've found are useful.

ksec 6y ago

Remember most people shit on Chrome and Webkit as the new IE think of IE era as IE 7. It is like a kid just a saw a few rounds of cross fire than ran and tell the world how is was like World War 2.