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Many (if not most?) companies will fire over a relationship between a boss and a subordinate, or order them to work at separate locations and not be in either's

by cma 6y ago

Many (if not most?) companies will fire over a relationship between a boss and a subordinate, or order them to work at separate locations and not be in either's chain of command. He resigned so we don't know how it would have even played out. The process sounds kafkaesque in his telling, but most people subject to at-will barely get any process at all when they are fired.

csa 6y ago
> Many (if not most?) companies will fire over a relationship between a boss and a subordinate, or order them to work at separate locations and not be in either's chain of command. This may be the rule at a lot of places, but it is very rarely implemented, and these relationships are typically just overlooked.
- cma 6y ago
  I don't know if I agree (just from personally knowing a case where two people in a relationship formed at work were sent to different stores, not any exhaustive data), but an official rule that is rarely and or selectively enforced doesn't exactly sound like due process in the at-will workplace as a counter argument to the level of due process in a university to a tenured employee.
  - csa 6y ago
    My anecdata is dozens of these relationships with nothing done, and one with the manager being officially warned and moved to a different department. The scandalous thing about the case in which something was done was that he was supervising both his wife and his lover. He ended up divorcing his wife and marrying his lover. That was the level it took to get an official warning. He retired a few years later, with no negative impact on his career (he was promoted after the incident). Do firings happen over these types of relationships? Sure. Is that the modal response? Very much no in my experience.
itronitron 6y ago
How many companies have you worked at that would start an investigation based on an employee arriving on Monday with a bruise resulting from an extracurricular activity over the weekend?
- joshuamorton 6y ago
  Few, but then universities don't do that either.
sukilot 6y ago
"It's even worse elsewhere" is no justification for injustice. That's horrific. There's no "subordinate" here. The person he dated 12 years ago isn't a member of the institution and wasn't during the relationship.

by cma 6y ago

csa 6y ago

> Many (if not most?) companies will fire over a relationship between a boss and a subordinate, or order them to work at separate locations and not be in either's chain of command. This may be the rule at a lot of places, but it is very rarely implemented, and these relationships are typically just overlooked.

cma 6y ago
I don't know if I agree (just from personally knowing a case where two people in a relationship formed at work were sent to different stores, not any exhaustive data), but an official rule that is rarely and or selectively enforced doesn't exactly sound like due process in the at-will workplace as a counter argument to the level of due process in a university to a tenured employee.
- csa 6y ago
  My anecdata is dozens of these relationships with nothing done, and one with the manager being officially warned and moved to a different department. The scandalous thing about the case in which something was done was that he was supervising both his wife and his lover. He ended up divorcing his wife and marrying his lover. That was the level it took to get an official warning. He retired a few years later, with no negative impact on his career (he was promoted after the incident). Do firings happen over these types of relationships? Sure. Is that the modal response? Very much no in my experience.

itronitron 6y ago

How many companies have you worked at that would start an investigation based on an employee arriving on Monday with a bruise resulting from an extracurricular activity over the weekend?

joshuamorton 6y ago
Few, but then universities don't do that either.

sukilot 6y ago

"It's even worse elsewhere" is no justification for injustice. That's horrific. There's no "subordinate" here. The person he dated 12 years ago isn't a member of the institution and wasn't during the relationship.