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Title IX is some weird shit though, and I doubt that any US company holds itself to the same crazy standard. For example, under Title IX if your colleague show
by itronitron 6y ago
Title IX is some weird shit though, and I doubt that any US company holds itself to the same crazy standard.
For example, under Title IX if your colleague shows up with a black eye one day and says they got it from their roommate then you are required to report it to the university.
- cma 6y agoMany (if not most?) companies will fire over a relationship between a boss and a subordinate, or order them to work at separate locations and not be in either's chain of command. He resigned so we don't know how it would have even played out. The process sounds kafkaesque in his telling, but most people subject to at-will barely get any process at all when they are fired.
- csa 6y ago> Many (if not most?) companies will fire over a relationship between a boss and a subordinate, or order them to work at separate locations and not be in either's chain of command. This may be the rule at a lot of places, but it is very rarely implemented, and these relationships are typically just overlooked.
- cma 6y agoI don't know if I agree (just from personally knowing a case where two people in a relationship formed at work were sent to different stores, not any exhaustive data), but an official rule that is rarely and or selectively enforced doesn't exactly sound like due process in the at-will workplace as a counter argument to the level of due process in a university to a tenured employee.
- csa 6y agoMy anecdata is dozens of these relationships with nothing done, and one with the manager being officially warned and moved to a different department. The scandalous thing about the case in which something was done was that he was supervising both his wife and his lover. He ended up divorcing his wife and marrying his lover. That was the level it took to get an official warning. He retired a few years later, with no negative impact on his career (he was promoted after the incident). Do firings happen over these types of relationships? Sure. Is that the modal response? Very much no in my experience.
- itronitron 6y agoHow many companies have you worked at that would start an investigation based on an employee arriving on Monday with a bruise resulting from an extracurricular activity over the weekend?
- joshuamorton 6y agoFew, but then universities don't do that either.
- sukilot 6y ago"It's even worse elsewhere" is no justification for injustice. That's horrific. There's no "subordinate" here. The person he dated 12 years ago isn't a member of the institution and wasn't during the relationship.
- sneak 6y agoThis sort of makes sense. The organization-as-organization can't address things via the defined processes if the input data doesn't flow up into the command center from the satellite nerves (in this case, the individual staff members). This closes the loophole where someone could report something casually to a faculty member, and nothing happens, which is a tragically common problem.
- itronitron 6y agoIf everything reported casually gets reported formally, then people can no longer have casual conversations. What strikes me as overreach about the black eye scenario (which is used in orientation/training for University staff as an example of something that needs to be reported under Title IX) is that a) the black eye is the result of some type of abuse and b) a non-University relationship suddenly falls under the purview of Title IX just by being mentioned to a University employee.
- sukilot 6y agoIt doesn't make sense when any data is assumed to be proof of guilt without any evidence.