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I remember the guidelines at one school specifically stating that relationships between undergraduates and professors are forbidden but leaving out graduate stu

I remember the guidelines at one school specifically stating that relationships between undergraduates and professors are forbidden but leaving out graduate students. I imagine because your grad students are more like coworkers and it’s more likely a mutual relationship will blossom. Oh well, more evidence on the side of keeping sex out of your work life in general.

ggreer 6y ago
> Oh well, more evidence on the side of keeping sex out of your work life in general. Although online dating is growing, around 1/3rd of workplace relationships result in marriage.[1] It seems like forbidding such relationships would make people worse off in general. 1. http://press.careerbuilder.com/2018-02-01-Office-Romance-Hits-10-Year-Low-According-to-CareerBuilders-Annual-Valentines-Day-Survey http://press.careerbuilder.com/2018-02-01-Office-Romance-Hit...
- jasonwatkinspdx 6y ago
  There's an important distinction between relationships that originate in the workplace vs relationships that originate in the workplace among people who are connected in the supervision hierarchy.
  - ggreer 6y ago
    If you read the article I linked, you'll see that 22% of workers have dated their bosses and that 41% of people in workplace romances had to keep it secret (usually due to policies forbidding such relationships). This behavior is extremely common and –dare I say it– usually quite healthy. Banning it doesn't stop it. It just turns everyone into hypocrites.
    - jasonwatkinspdx 6y ago
      Yeah, I don't buy those figures in the slightest, and further, none of that is a normative argument that it should continue. All it describes is that it's common for those in power, generally men, to abuse their status to create relationships under conflicting intentions.
- projektfu 6y ago
  No, they shouldn’t be forbidden, but yet it’s less risky for your career to just date outside of work.
brandonmenc 6y ago
> more evidence on the side of keeping sex out of your work life in general. Unfortunately for academics, there seems to be no line between work and life - professional acquaintances are often social ones and vice versa. How do you meet a mate outside of academics when all of your time is spent there? As a non-academic who knows a lot of academics, I do not envy this arrangement in the least.
- projektfu 6y ago
  True enough, but surely academics can at least socialize with people in another field. Or even well outside of their own lab.
sukilot 6y ago
Work is most of life. Banning romantic couplings from that is deeply anti-human.

ggreer 6y ago

> Oh well, more evidence on the side of keeping sex out of your work life in general. Although online dating is growing, around 1/3rd of workplace relationships result in marriage.[1] It seems like forbidding such relationships would make people worse off in general. 1. http://press.careerbuilder.com/2018-02-01-Office-Romance-Hits-10-Year-Low-According-to-CareerBuilders-Annual-Valentines-Day-Survey http://press.careerbuilder.com/2018-02-01-Office-Romance-Hit...

jasonwatkinspdx 6y ago
There's an important distinction between relationships that originate in the workplace vs relationships that originate in the workplace among people who are connected in the supervision hierarchy.
- ggreer 6y ago
  If you read the article I linked, you'll see that 22% of workers have dated their bosses and that 41% of people in workplace romances had to keep it secret (usually due to policies forbidding such relationships). This behavior is extremely common and –dare I say it– usually quite healthy. Banning it doesn't stop it. It just turns everyone into hypocrites.
  - jasonwatkinspdx 6y ago
    Yeah, I don't buy those figures in the slightest, and further, none of that is a normative argument that it should continue. All it describes is that it's common for those in power, generally men, to abuse their status to create relationships under conflicting intentions.
projektfu 6y ago
No, they shouldn’t be forbidden, but yet it’s less risky for your career to just date outside of work.

brandonmenc 6y ago

> more evidence on the side of keeping sex out of your work life in general. Unfortunately for academics, there seems to be no line between work and life - professional acquaintances are often social ones and vice versa. How do you meet a mate outside of academics when all of your time is spent there? As a non-academic who knows a lot of academics, I do not envy this arrangement in the least.

projektfu 6y ago
True enough, but surely academics can at least socialize with people in another field. Or even well outside of their own lab.

sukilot 6y ago

Work is most of life. Banning romantic couplings from that is deeply anti-human.