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Could something like this be used as the renderer for desktop applications? Instead of running a full fledged browser like electron, you basically just write al

Could something like this be used as the renderer for desktop applications? Instead of running a full fledged browser like electron, you basically just write all the logic in rust, and render the UI with css+html.

rapsey 6y ago
Depends on how dependent it is on the javascript engine. Servo unfortunately was inseperable from js.
- throwaway894345 6y ago
  Can you give more information (link?) about why Servo was inseparable from JS?
  - chc4 6y ago
    Servo has JavaScript own and collect the DOM nodes. At least, it did in 2014. https://research.mozilla.org/2014/08/26/javascript-servos-only-garbage-collector/ https://research.mozilla.org/2014/08/26/javascript-servos-on...
    - throwaway894345 6y ago
      That was very early in the project, but moreover, I would expect that simply means that Servo can allow someone else to own DOM nodes; not that it depends on a JS implementation specifically, no?
untog 6y ago
In theory. The Sciter engine is not far off that, though it uses its own scripting language: https://sciter.com/ https://sciter.com/ EDIT: reply to c-smile below (HN won’t let me reply, sigh): My “in theory” was referring to Kosmonaut. Then I pointed out Sciter as evidence that something similar has already been done.
- UnnoTed 6y ago
  The logic can be written in Rust with [1], it's exactly like he wants: rust[2] + css + html. [1]: https://github.com/sciter-sdk/rust-sciter https://github.com/sciter-sdk/rust-sciter [2]: https://github.com/sciter-sdk/rust-sciter/blob/master/examples/dom.rs https://github.com/sciter-sdk/rust-sciter/blob/master/exampl...
- c-smile 6y ago
  Why "in theory"? Here are real life applications: https://sciter.com/#customers https://sciter.com/#customers
  - untog 6y ago
    My “in theory” was referring to Kosmonaut. Then I pointed out Sciter as evidence that something similar has already been done.
hiccuphippo 6y ago
Maybe Azul[0]? It uses the Mozilla web renderer but instead of HTML you write DOM in a react-style way. [0] https://azul.rs/ https://azul.rs/
guerrilla 6y ago
Isn't that what GNOME is doing but in C (and whatever Gtk+ binds to)? [1] [1]. https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Development https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Development
nikki93 6y ago
Some UI rendering engines for games do something like this, eg. https://coherent-labs.com https://coherent-labs.com -- talk by one of the devs of that at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy8jQgmhbAU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy8jQgmhbAU

rapsey 6y ago

Depends on how dependent it is on the javascript engine. Servo unfortunately was inseperable from js.

throwaway894345 6y ago
Can you give more information (link?) about why Servo was inseparable from JS?
- chc4 6y ago
  Servo has JavaScript own and collect the DOM nodes. At least, it did in 2014. https://research.mozilla.org/2014/08/26/javascript-servos-only-garbage-collector/ https://research.mozilla.org/2014/08/26/javascript-servos-on...
  - throwaway894345 6y ago
    That was very early in the project, but moreover, I would expect that simply means that Servo can allow someone else to own DOM nodes; not that it depends on a JS implementation specifically, no?

untog 6y ago

In theory. The Sciter engine is not far off that, though it uses its own scripting language: https://sciter.com/ https://sciter.com/ EDIT: reply to c-smile below (HN won’t let me reply, sigh): My “in theory” was referring to Kosmonaut. Then I pointed out Sciter as evidence that something similar has already been done.

UnnoTed 6y ago
The logic can be written in Rust with [1], it's exactly like he wants: rust[2] + css + html. [1]: https://github.com/sciter-sdk/rust-sciter https://github.com/sciter-sdk/rust-sciter [2]: https://github.com/sciter-sdk/rust-sciter/blob/master/examples/dom.rs https://github.com/sciter-sdk/rust-sciter/blob/master/exampl...
c-smile 6y ago
Why "in theory"? Here are real life applications: https://sciter.com/#customers https://sciter.com/#customers
- untog 6y ago
  My “in theory” was referring to Kosmonaut. Then I pointed out Sciter as evidence that something similar has already been done.

hiccuphippo 6y ago

Maybe Azul[0]? It uses the Mozilla web renderer but instead of HTML you write DOM in a react-style way. [0] https://azul.rs/ https://azul.rs/

guerrilla 6y ago

Isn't that what GNOME is doing but in C (and whatever Gtk+ binds to)? [1] [1]. https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Development https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Development

nikki93 6y ago

Some UI rendering engines for games do something like this, eg. https://coherent-labs.com https://coherent-labs.com -- talk by one of the devs of that at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy8jQgmhbAU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy8jQgmhbAU