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Don't both sides have to be understanding of the other's? > Speaking from experience organizing similar situations: Granting exceptions and doing 1:1 catchup i

Don't both sides have to be understanding of the other's? > Speaking from experience organizing similar situations: Granting exceptions and doing 1:1 catchup in a program like this is never as easy at it sounds from the other side. This is absolutely true! But forcing the author to drop out of the program because he missed a meeting is acting like his _life_ is of no importance to someone at RC's convenience. RC made a mistake in their onboarding. The author demonstrated good intent and a desire to fulfill his side of the obligation. For a variety of reasons, a message was not communicated. To say it a different way: RC failed to communicate effectively RC probably should apply an expensive band-aid fix to the problem (1:1 instruction to someone who missed a critical meeting) and then re-evaluate how they communicate going forward so it doesn't happen again. Acting like this is an individual failing instead of a system failing is a sign of ENORMOUS organizational ill-health. RC made a mistake, and instead of bearing some of the burden of the mistake, they're harming _the person who was harmed by their error_. When I make a mistake, I try to fix it. If I blamed the person who was hurt by my mistake, you'd consider me to be sociopathic. RC's behavior is sociopathic at an organizational level.

PragmaticPulp 6y ago
> RC failed to communicate effectively The author wrote the RC communicated it via e-mail and also placed it on his calendar. From the article: > It was on the calendar, but at 7:15am in my local time zone, so by merit of that alone I had simply ignored the event RC also reached out to the author via e-mail, but didn't hear back until the second e-mail: > Hi Erik! I sent you an email this morning, but never heard back – we didn’t see you during the welcome flow or talks this morning, and we wanted to check in to see what happened. Furthermore, apparently the author is the only person who has ever missed the orientation communications: > The schedule was at the top of the email sent on August 5th and was on the RC calendar, and missing the first day for this reason hasn’t happened to anyone else since we’ve been running RC online. I don't think it's fair to suggest that RC wasn't communicating properly. The author admits he simply didn't read the e-mails and ignored the calendar event because it was too early.
- gpm 6y ago
  > Did you read the article to the end? This is an unnecessary jab that violates the guidelines on HN > Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that." > RC also reached out to the author via e-mail, but didn't hear back until the second e-mail: You mean, the day that they kicked him out they first reached out via email and then zulip, and you somehow think that the author not having an extremely short turn around time on checking their email makes them more at fault? > Furthermore, apparently the author is the only person who has ever missed the orientation communications: To be clear, when you say the first person, you mean the first person since March 30th (when they started being remote) who both missed the communication and happened to be in a timezone where they weren't just naturally up at that time. I don't imagine that there have been a lot of people placed in this situation that you are comparing the author too.
- watwut 6y ago
  > The author wrote the RC communicated it via e-mail and also placed it on his calendar. From the article: The calendar was full of events, majority of those being optional organized by other attendees. You had to click on this event to see any details about it. So, no. Calendar does not count for proper communication.

PragmaticPulp 6y ago

> RC failed to communicate effectively The author wrote the RC communicated it via e-mail and also placed it on his calendar. From the article: > It was on the calendar, but at 7:15am in my local time zone, so by merit of that alone I had simply ignored the event RC also reached out to the author via e-mail, but didn't hear back until the second e-mail: > Hi Erik! I sent you an email this morning, but never heard back – we didn’t see you during the welcome flow or talks this morning, and we wanted to check in to see what happened. Furthermore, apparently the author is the only person who has ever missed the orientation communications: > The schedule was at the top of the email sent on August 5th and was on the RC calendar, and missing the first day for this reason hasn’t happened to anyone else since we’ve been running RC online. I don't think it's fair to suggest that RC wasn't communicating properly. The author admits he simply didn't read the e-mails and ignored the calendar event because it was too early.

gpm 6y ago
> Did you read the article to the end? This is an unnecessary jab that violates the guidelines on HN > Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that." > RC also reached out to the author via e-mail, but didn't hear back until the second e-mail: You mean, the day that they kicked him out they first reached out via email and then zulip, and you somehow think that the author not having an extremely short turn around time on checking their email makes them more at fault? > Furthermore, apparently the author is the only person who has ever missed the orientation communications: To be clear, when you say the first person, you mean the first person since March 30th (when they started being remote) who both missed the communication and happened to be in a timezone where they weren't just naturally up at that time. I don't imagine that there have been a lot of people placed in this situation that you are comparing the author too.
watwut 6y ago
> The author wrote the RC communicated it via e-mail and also placed it on his calendar. From the article: The calendar was full of events, majority of those being optional organized by other attendees. You had to click on this event to see any details about it. So, no. Calendar does not count for proper communication.