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The truth is over the top?

by tomdell 6y ago

CuriouslyC 6y ago
Because no vegetable farm ever caused habitat destruction or environmental damage...
- emteycz 6y ago
  That's obviously not true, and also obviously not the point being argued.
- typon 6y ago
  Terrible straw man argument
- renaicirc 6y ago
  It's interesting how your response to the point that farming plants is far more efficient and sustainable than farming animals is "but some vegetable farms are bad for the environment, too!"
  - CuriouslyC 6y ago
    Mixed permaculture habitats that mimic nature and incorporate animals are sustainable. The vegatarian mafia would be happy with endless rows of unsustainable conventional monoculture agriculture, I know this because of the blank look so many vegans have give me when I start to talk about permaculture. You're a hypocrite.
    - renaicirc 6y ago
      You've accused me of hypocrisy based on your claimed experiences with other people. How charming. In any case, sure, sustainable animal farms exist. Could they meet the meat demands of the US? Popular consensus is no, and [0] lists many authorities who urge a reduction in meat consumption, but I'd be happy for you to convince me otherwise. [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_meat_production https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_meat...
- eigenket 6y ago
  I'll take "whataboutism" for $500 Alex...
OnlyOneCannolo 6y ago
It implicitly distorts the contribution of agriculture to greenhouse gas emissions relative to other sources. And it ignores the health effects of going meatless.
- tito 6y ago
  What most people miss is that methane (ie from cows) is more than an order of magnitude as impactful as carbon dioxide. This source says methane is 84x the impact of carbon dioxide: https://www.edf.org/climate/methane-other-important-greenhouse-gas https://www.edf.org/climate/methane-other-important-greenhou...
  - OnlyOneCannolo 6y ago
    That article you linked also says that the largest source of man-made methane is the oil and gas industry.

The truth is over the top?

CuriouslyC 6y ago

Because no vegetable farm ever caused habitat destruction or environmental damage...

emteycz 6y ago
That's obviously not true, and also obviously not the point being argued.
typon 6y ago
Terrible straw man argument
renaicirc 6y ago
It's interesting how your response to the point that farming plants is far more efficient and sustainable than farming animals is "but some vegetable farms are bad for the environment, too!"
- CuriouslyC 6y ago
  Mixed permaculture habitats that mimic nature and incorporate animals are sustainable. The vegatarian mafia would be happy with endless rows of unsustainable conventional monoculture agriculture, I know this because of the blank look so many vegans have give me when I start to talk about permaculture. You're a hypocrite.
  - renaicirc 6y ago
    You've accused me of hypocrisy based on your claimed experiences with other people. How charming. In any case, sure, sustainable animal farms exist. Could they meet the meat demands of the US? Popular consensus is no, and [0] lists many authorities who urge a reduction in meat consumption, but I'd be happy for you to convince me otherwise. [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_meat_production https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_meat...
eigenket 6y ago
I'll take "whataboutism" for $500 Alex...

OnlyOneCannolo 6y ago

It implicitly distorts the contribution of agriculture to greenhouse gas emissions relative to other sources. And it ignores the health effects of going meatless.

tito 6y ago
What most people miss is that methane (ie from cows) is more than an order of magnitude as impactful as carbon dioxide. This source says methane is 84x the impact of carbon dioxide: https://www.edf.org/climate/methane-other-important-greenhouse-gas https://www.edf.org/climate/methane-other-important-greenhou...
- OnlyOneCannolo 6y ago
  That article you linked also says that the largest source of man-made methane is the oil and gas industry.