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> you should probably get paid 0 that year. Most CEOs in the USA can demand contracts that give them a massive golden umbrella, fail or not. Why would any CEO

> you should probably get paid 0 that year. Most CEOs in the USA can demand contracts that give them a massive golden umbrella, fail or not. Why would any CEO accept less than that? But to answer the harder question, I don't think anyone should get paid at that rate. No one is worth that much once you take into account negative externalities. As an extreme example, Exxon executives might be worth a negative number to society at this point. Getting more nuanced, huge wage gaps are highly correlated with lots of costly things like increased crimes rates, and less costly but important things like happiness. I think the world is increasingly becoming aware that the USA is nowhere near #1 in many measures, and that a handful of other countries have managed to make a measurably better society. And in all those countries you see far smaller wage gaps. Could be correlation, but I think with enough time we will see that it is causation. Humans instinctively know that kings are not God-like and CEOs are not worth 200x more than the thousands of employees who work just as hard. Leaders with benefits are fine. Leaders with excessive benefits have never ended well in all of human history. The fact that it is happening now due to "market forces" instead of royal lineage. perhaps makes it a bit more tolerable temporarily. But I think those huge wage gaps are increasingly becoming less tolerable even to Americans. Other countries have already arrived.

WalterBright 6y ago
> No one is worth that much The shareholders disagree and the CEO compensation comes out of the shareholders' pockets. > who work just as hard It's not about working hard. It's about making the right decisions. > Other countries have already arrived. On the other hand, US companies are the most prosperous in the world, and contribute enormously to the US economy. All the FAANG companies are in the US, for example.
- tchaffee 6y ago
  The shareholders do not all agree. Some of us want to see wage gaps narrowed. Some of us have been looking at how companies impact all stakeholders, including the local community. Sustainability is no longer a strange word. The average employee makes decisions all the time. And yes, the companies are prosperous. A few benefit. Society at large not so much. The US is behind by many measures.
  - WalterBright 6y ago
    > The shareholders do not all agree. They can sell their shares if they don't accept it. Presumably whoever buys it accepts it. > Society at large not so much Nobody has been able to connect high CEO pay with detriments to society at large.
    - tchaffee 6y ago
      Shareholders do not expect companies to be perfect. One of the reasons to be part owner is to push for improvements and to have influence. You are wrong about detriments to society, and a simple search would have saved you. Just as one example, large income gaps are highly correlated with higher crime rates [1]. This has been shown in many studies, and across cultures. There are other negative effects as well, including both the rich and the poor being less happy. I suggest you do the work of trying to prove yourself wrong and you'll find even more. [1] https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/07/the-stark-relationship-between-income-inequality-and-crime https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/07/the-star...
      - WalterBright 6y ago
        There aren't enough CEOs to make any sort of difference.
        tchaffee 6y ago
        Source? Because each CEO affects many people. So it sounds like you just made that up. Meanwhile, I provided a source that shows higher crime rates when there are higher wage gaps. Where are those wage gaps coming from? Please provide sources, not your own reasoning.
        WalterBright 6y ago
        I might ask the same of you. Please provide evidence that CEO pay is statistically relevant to "higher wage gaps"? Amazon employs 50,000 highly paid people in Seattle alone, but only 1 CEO. Bezos' CEO pay is hardly responsible for income inequality in Seattle.

WalterBright 6y ago

> No one is worth that much The shareholders disagree and the CEO compensation comes out of the shareholders' pockets. > who work just as hard It's not about working hard. It's about making the right decisions. > Other countries have already arrived. On the other hand, US companies are the most prosperous in the world, and contribute enormously to the US economy. All the FAANG companies are in the US, for example.

tchaffee 6y ago
The shareholders do not all agree. Some of us want to see wage gaps narrowed. Some of us have been looking at how companies impact all stakeholders, including the local community. Sustainability is no longer a strange word. The average employee makes decisions all the time. And yes, the companies are prosperous. A few benefit. Society at large not so much. The US is behind by many measures.
- WalterBright 6y ago
  > The shareholders do not all agree. They can sell their shares if they don't accept it. Presumably whoever buys it accepts it. > Society at large not so much Nobody has been able to connect high CEO pay with detriments to society at large.
  - tchaffee 6y ago
    Shareholders do not expect companies to be perfect. One of the reasons to be part owner is to push for improvements and to have influence. You are wrong about detriments to society, and a simple search would have saved you. Just as one example, large income gaps are highly correlated with higher crime rates [1]. This has been shown in many studies, and across cultures. There are other negative effects as well, including both the rich and the poor being less happy. I suggest you do the work of trying to prove yourself wrong and you'll find even more. [1] https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/07/the-stark-relationship-between-income-inequality-and-crime https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/07/the-star...
    - WalterBright 6y ago
      There aren't enough CEOs to make any sort of difference.
      - tchaffee 6y ago
        Source? Because each CEO affects many people. So it sounds like you just made that up. Meanwhile, I provided a source that shows higher crime rates when there are higher wage gaps. Where are those wage gaps coming from? Please provide sources, not your own reasoning.
        WalterBright 6y ago
        I might ask the same of you. Please provide evidence that CEO pay is statistically relevant to "higher wage gaps"? Amazon employs 50,000 highly paid people in Seattle alone, but only 1 CEO. Bezos' CEO pay is hardly responsible for income inequality in Seattle.