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I left FF several times for being slow, being a memory hog, dropping extensions, not adding power features (vertical tree tabs) and come back from Chrome for id

I left FF several times for being slow, being a memory hog, dropping extensions, not adding power features (vertical tree tabs) and come back from Chrome for ideological reasons. I might not be the core audience or user group, but I have not left because of i.) - iv.).

ohgodplsno 6y ago
> not adding power features (vertical tree tabs) https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/ https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/ ?
- stekern 6y ago
  I assume the parent means native support for vertical tabs in the browser as opposed to through a third party extension.
  - KingOfCoders 6y ago
    a.) Yes b.) With changing their extension API several times it was not clear the plugin would make it.
Brakenshire 6y ago
I just don’t think there are enough users who care about deep customisation through extensions compared to those who care about speed and stability, and Firefox traded one for the other in adopting a standardised Extensions API, and the changes that allowed in the browser architecture.
forgotpwd16 6y ago
One of the reasons I'm still on Fox is tree-style tabs (with "Tree Style Tab" extension) and being able to hide top tabs (using userChrome.css).
- bishalb 6y ago
  The best things about tabs in Firefoxia the scrollable tab bar. I am not sure why chrome doesn't add this.
  - emteycz 6y ago
    Can you imagine having to respond to all these "chrome ate my tabs" tickets?
    - majewsky 6y ago
      As if Google ever replies to tickets.
- aldanor 6y ago
  Same here. If TreeStyleTab existed on Chrome (or, hell, even in Safari), I wouldn't care that much which browser to use.
- KingOfCoders 6y ago
  I recently switched to "Simple Tab Groups" after years with "Tree Style Tab" and I do prefer it.
Lammy 6y ago
> not adding power features (vertical tree tabs) They made a pretty huge deal about the Tab Groups (aka Panorama) feature of Firefox 4 in 2010; designed by Aza Raskin! https://web.archive.org/web/20101105212333/http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/designing-tab-candy/ https://web.archive.org/web/20101105212333/http://www.azaras... But then it was removed in 2016 because few people really used it (or few people who had telemetry enabled, at least): https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/tab-groups-removal https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/tab-groups-removal
- fartcannon 6y ago
  Oh jees, is that what's happening? If they're only building for telemetry data, theyre screwed. Gonna end up with a browser for people who think the internet is a series of tubes.
  - chowells 6y ago
    You believe developers don't understand telemetry and leave it enabled because it helps development of the tools they use? This whole anti-telemetry outrage is so manufactured and boring.
    - csande17 6y ago
      I'm a developer, and I disable telemetry whenever possible, including in Firefox. I do this because I value my privacy (the same reason I use Firefox), and I don't want my system to make network requests unnecessarily. The way I see it, there are two possibilities: (1) A significant portion of Firefox users think like me. In this case, Mozilla should not rely on telemetry because it excludes a sizeable portion of their userbase, and one that likely correlates with things like "believes in Mozilla's stated core philosophy" and "is passionate enough about browsers to recommend them to people". (2) Not many Firefox users think like me. In this case, it's pointless for me to enable telemetry because they'll just ignore my needs anyway. "It is not worth supporting this feature, the data shows that 99% of people do not use it!" won't change if the number is actually 98.99%.

ohgodplsno 6y ago

> not adding power features (vertical tree tabs) https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/ https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/ ?

stekern 6y ago
I assume the parent means native support for vertical tabs in the browser as opposed to through a third party extension.
- KingOfCoders 6y ago
  a.) Yes b.) With changing their extension API several times it was not clear the plugin would make it.

Brakenshire 6y ago

I just don’t think there are enough users who care about deep customisation through extensions compared to those who care about speed and stability, and Firefox traded one for the other in adopting a standardised Extensions API, and the changes that allowed in the browser architecture.

forgotpwd16 6y ago

One of the reasons I'm still on Fox is tree-style tabs (with "Tree Style Tab" extension) and being able to hide top tabs (using userChrome.css).

bishalb 6y ago
The best things about tabs in Firefoxia the scrollable tab bar. I am not sure why chrome doesn't add this.
- emteycz 6y ago
  Can you imagine having to respond to all these "chrome ate my tabs" tickets?
  - majewsky 6y ago
    As if Google ever replies to tickets.
aldanor 6y ago
Same here. If TreeStyleTab existed on Chrome (or, hell, even in Safari), I wouldn't care that much which browser to use.
KingOfCoders 6y ago
I recently switched to "Simple Tab Groups" after years with "Tree Style Tab" and I do prefer it.

Lammy 6y ago

> not adding power features (vertical tree tabs) They made a pretty huge deal about the Tab Groups (aka Panorama) feature of Firefox 4 in 2010; designed by Aza Raskin! https://web.archive.org/web/20101105212333/http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/designing-tab-candy/ https://web.archive.org/web/20101105212333/http://www.azaras... But then it was removed in 2016 because few people really used it (or few people who had telemetry enabled, at least): https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/tab-groups-removal https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/tab-groups-removal

fartcannon 6y ago
Oh jees, is that what's happening? If they're only building for telemetry data, theyre screwed. Gonna end up with a browser for people who think the internet is a series of tubes.
- chowells 6y ago
  You believe developers don't understand telemetry and leave it enabled because it helps development of the tools they use? This whole anti-telemetry outrage is so manufactured and boring.
  - csande17 6y ago
    I'm a developer, and I disable telemetry whenever possible, including in Firefox. I do this because I value my privacy (the same reason I use Firefox), and I don't want my system to make network requests unnecessarily. The way I see it, there are two possibilities: (1) A significant portion of Firefox users think like me. In this case, Mozilla should not rely on telemetry because it excludes a sizeable portion of their userbase, and one that likely correlates with things like "believes in Mozilla's stated core philosophy" and "is passionate enough about browsers to recommend them to people". (2) Not many Firefox users think like me. In this case, it's pointless for me to enable telemetry because they'll just ignore my needs anyway. "It is not worth supporting this feature, the data shows that 99% of people do not use it!" won't change if the number is actually 98.99%.