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I have to say this is one of the instances where I’m glad Apple’s hunger for profit and privacy engineering intersect. On Mac at least with Safari there is a pr

I have to say this is one of the instances where I’m glad Apple’s hunger for profit and privacy engineering intersect. On Mac at least with Safari there is a privacy oriented browser left. Maybe Apple could revive Safari on Windows?

TimSchumann 6y ago
I’m slightly annoyed to agree with you here, but I do. I also hope Epic takes Apple to the mats and gets some concessions from the justice department with regards to all the stuff going down with ‘platforms’ and ‘app stores’.
mhh__ 6y ago
I also like apples stance on privacy. Given that they are probably the only company that could pull it off, I'd really like to see apple become more open(i.e. Stallman-ism constrained by reality) philosophically - they love to tell their users right and wrong, but if they made a fairly open ARM MacBook that I could run anything other than MacOS (If it's not windows I want things like eBPF to play with) I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
petepete 6y ago
What about Chromium isn't privacy focussed? It was my understanding that all of Google's grubby code isn't present.
- fastball 6y ago
  Or Brave. It's Chromium with ad-blocking / anti-fingerprinting built in, so even more privacy preserving by default.
  - brianush1 6y ago
    Brave's made a big mistake in the past, so I'd hold out on using it until there's no other non-Chrome option: https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/8/21283769/brave-browser-affiliate-links-crypto-privacy-ceo-apology https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/8/21283769/brave-browser-aff...
    - fastball 6y ago
      Brave is moving fast (and not doing a perfect job) trying to find a revenue stream that doesn't involve selling out their users. They're trying a lot of new ideas and from what I can tell are learning from their missteps (though I think the linked situation was blown way out of proportion for what it actually was). Seems like exactly what's needed in the context of the current situation, no?
      - alcoholic_byte 6y ago
        Well.... move fast and break things it not necessarily a nice motto especially if you burn down the very house people live in. And let's not forget, it was deliberate move. I for one am glad I never used Brave. There are only a very few rules that shan't be broken. Breaking trust is one of them, because it is easy to loose and hard to regain, so far FF/Mozilla 1, Brave/Chrome 0, I do not know about Vivaldi.... MS and Apple do not really count, as they are OS-Vendors and can betray user trust in a different manner.
        TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
        > so far FF/Mozilla 1, Brave/Chrome 0 Mozilla has had more missteps than Brave because it's been around longer. I can't name all the ones which betrayed trust, but the Mr. Robot scandal comes to mind: https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/16/16784628/mozilla-mr-robot-arg-plugin-firefox-looking-glass https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/16/16784628/mozilla-mr-robo... and: https://www.ghacks.net/2017/02/12/firefox-focus-privacy-scandal/ https://www.ghacks.net/2017/02/12/firefox-focus-privacy-scan... and: https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/anxfz8/firefox_is_spyware_extension_recommendation/ https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/anxfz8/firefox_is_... and many others. Having said that, I still use both Firefox and Brave. It's ok to make missteps as long as you fix them and learn from them. Otherwise, I'd never use any product and never have any friends. No one is perfect.
        alcoholic_byte 6y ago
        Thanks for the links. Comes to show how cognitive bias works.
- sp332 6y ago
  Chromium still depends on Google for certain features. https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium#feature-overview https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium#feature-overvi...
  - chromedev 6y ago
    Those are easily removed and can also be disabled using their policy engine.

TimSchumann 6y ago

I’m slightly annoyed to agree with you here, but I do. I also hope Epic takes Apple to the mats and gets some concessions from the justice department with regards to all the stuff going down with ‘platforms’ and ‘app stores’.

mhh__ 6y ago

I also like apples stance on privacy. Given that they are probably the only company that could pull it off, I'd really like to see apple become more open(i.e. Stallman-ism constrained by reality) philosophically - they love to tell their users right and wrong, but if they made a fairly open ARM MacBook that I could run anything other than MacOS (If it's not windows I want things like eBPF to play with) I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

petepete 6y ago

What about Chromium isn't privacy focussed? It was my understanding that all of Google's grubby code isn't present.

fastball 6y ago
Or Brave. It's Chromium with ad-blocking / anti-fingerprinting built in, so even more privacy preserving by default.
- brianush1 6y ago
  Brave's made a big mistake in the past, so I'd hold out on using it until there's no other non-Chrome option: https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/8/21283769/brave-browser-affiliate-links-crypto-privacy-ceo-apology https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/8/21283769/brave-browser-aff...
  - fastball 6y ago
    Brave is moving fast (and not doing a perfect job) trying to find a revenue stream that doesn't involve selling out their users. They're trying a lot of new ideas and from what I can tell are learning from their missteps (though I think the linked situation was blown way out of proportion for what it actually was). Seems like exactly what's needed in the context of the current situation, no?
    - alcoholic_byte 6y ago
      Well.... move fast and break things it not necessarily a nice motto especially if you burn down the very house people live in. And let's not forget, it was deliberate move. I for one am glad I never used Brave. There are only a very few rules that shan't be broken. Breaking trust is one of them, because it is easy to loose and hard to regain, so far FF/Mozilla 1, Brave/Chrome 0, I do not know about Vivaldi.... MS and Apple do not really count, as they are OS-Vendors and can betray user trust in a different manner.
      - TedDoesntTalk 6y ago
        > so far FF/Mozilla 1, Brave/Chrome 0 Mozilla has had more missteps than Brave because it's been around longer. I can't name all the ones which betrayed trust, but the Mr. Robot scandal comes to mind: https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/16/16784628/mozilla-mr-robot-arg-plugin-firefox-looking-glass https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/16/16784628/mozilla-mr-robo... and: https://www.ghacks.net/2017/02/12/firefox-focus-privacy-scandal/ https://www.ghacks.net/2017/02/12/firefox-focus-privacy-scan... and: https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/anxfz8/firefox_is_spyware_extension_recommendation/ https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/anxfz8/firefox_is_... and many others. Having said that, I still use both Firefox and Brave. It's ok to make missteps as long as you fix them and learn from them. Otherwise, I'd never use any product and never have any friends. No one is perfect.
        alcoholic_byte 6y ago
        Thanks for the links. Comes to show how cognitive bias works.
sp332 6y ago
Chromium still depends on Google for certain features. https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium#feature-overview https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium#feature-overvi...
- chromedev 6y ago
  Those are easily removed and can also be disabled using their policy engine.