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Has the op posted the Icelandic version to get it here as a new post and to make a point? Look, I’m saddened by the layoffs too. And I’m very sad the dev tools

Has the op posted the Icelandic version to get it here as a new post and to make a point? Look, I’m saddened by the layoffs too. And I’m very sad the dev tools and servo teams teams in particular have been hit. And I would like to know why. Yet there are still 750 mozilla employees. The servo stuff was merged into ff already. I’m not saying it’s good that they’ve scaled down their R&D but the narrative that the C-suite have laid everyone off so they can drink more champagne on one more yacht gets tiring and obscures reasoned discussion about the lay offs.

hellofunk 6y ago
> The servo stuff was merged into ff already. Really? The project was done? That is at odds to what nearly every person I follow involved with the project has had to say recently.
- Ygg2 6y ago
  It's not. Just look at outstanding issues in Servo. https://github.com/servo/servo https://github.com/servo/servo What Mozilla did was move few stable components to FireFox and shitcanned the rest.
- tarkin2 6y ago
  On another post one of the dev teams said, although it’s not “finished”, a lot of the code has been merged into ff. It has already been useful. He even used the term “winding down”.
Ygg2 6y ago
To me, this manifesto is just empty platitudes. + We support privacy - Yet get millions from Google to keep their search engine default. + We believe in transparent community based decisions - Which is why we gutted several community darlings (Devtools, Servo, Wasmtime, MDN) Without Servo, Firefox is doomed to become a cheap Chrome knock-off. Why not fire like 650/750 and just base FireFox on Chromium? And in that case why should I use a knock-off, if I can have the real thing for free? Google controls the code, whatever tracking/control they build in is going to be hard to remove without a fork. A Fork Mozilla won't be able to afford. No amount of writing manifestos is going to change that fact.
- anonymousab 6y ago
  > Why not fire like 650/750 and just base FireFox on Chromium? That's likely not too far behind. There might be a runway of a couple of years before that, though. I don't think they'd get rid of quite so many people at that point.

hellofunk 6y ago

> The servo stuff was merged into ff already. Really? The project was done? That is at odds to what nearly every person I follow involved with the project has had to say recently.

Ygg2 6y ago
It's not. Just look at outstanding issues in Servo. https://github.com/servo/servo https://github.com/servo/servo What Mozilla did was move few stable components to FireFox and shitcanned the rest.
tarkin2 6y ago
On another post one of the dev teams said, although it’s not “finished”, a lot of the code has been merged into ff. It has already been useful. He even used the term “winding down”.

Ygg2 6y ago

To me, this manifesto is just empty platitudes. + We support privacy - Yet get millions from Google to keep their search engine default. + We believe in transparent community based decisions - Which is why we gutted several community darlings (Devtools, Servo, Wasmtime, MDN) Without Servo, Firefox is doomed to become a cheap Chrome knock-off. Why not fire like 650/750 and just base FireFox on Chromium? And in that case why should I use a knock-off, if I can have the real thing for free? Google controls the code, whatever tracking/control they build in is going to be hard to remove without a fork. A Fork Mozilla won't be able to afford. No amount of writing manifestos is going to change that fact.

anonymousab 6y ago
> Why not fire like 650/750 and just base FireFox on Chromium? That's likely not too far behind. There might be a runway of a couple of years before that, though. I don't think they'd get rid of quite so many people at that point.