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"I cannot say that I agree that it is appropriate to take corporate action against somebody for the opinions they hold as a private citizen." This is definitel

"I cannot say that I agree that it is appropriate to take corporate action against somebody for the opinions they hold as a private citizen." This is definitely valid! I thiiink I'd still disagree- in a public-facing leadership role, it's just not that easy to separate personal actions from business-related ones- but it's definitely a view I have some sympathy for. I do get where you're coming from. That said- Eich resigned. He wasn't fired. And so far I've seen no real evidence that this wasn't just his decision- that he realized he wasn't the best candidate for CEO because of his past actions. Perhaps he really was just pushed out... If you have anything backing that up, I'd like to see it. Because from what I've read- and that's not too much, so if there's any info I'm missing please fill me in- if I say "I don't like the CEO, I won't donate anymore while he's in charge, and you shouldn't either"...am I in the wrong?

krick 6y ago
> Eich resigned. He wasn't fired. Oh, come on. We all know what "resigned" means, when the one resigning is a CEO.
- XMPPwocky 6y ago
  Besides things that everybody except me seems to know, do you have any evidence that Eich didn't step down for the reason he said he stepped down?
  - chipotle_coyote 6y ago
    The only reason I can find that he gave was "I resigned because I could not be an effective leader under the circumstances"; I don't know what unrelated reasons you think he gave, although if you want to share a link, that'd be great. Mozilla's own blog post about his resignation was "Mozilla prides itself on being held to a different standard, and this past week, we didn't live up to it." It's super hard not to read all that as him being asked to resign, and CNET's rather long autopsy article on it says that the board wanted to offer him another position but he chose to quit everything. (That article also says that there was a lot of doubt about whether he'd make a good CEO for reasons entirely unrelated to this; he was known for, as a Mozilla Foundation director put it, having an "inability to connect and empathize with people.")
    - skissane 6y ago
      The Board didn't defend him publicly. I think, when a Board fails to publicly support their choice of CEO in face of a controversy, for a CEO that's basically a form of constructive dismissal.
      - chipotle_coyote 6y ago
        Yes, exactly. That’s what I was trying to get across by quoting Baker not defending him, and what “asked to resign” means. I generally don’t complain about HN downvotes, but it’s more puzzling to me than usual — do people think I was saying Eich wasn’t fired? [shrug emoji]
- erik_seaberg 6y ago
  I’m not a fan of angry mob cancel culture, but opposing them would have been a huge distraction from Mozilla’s mission.
- foldr 6y ago
  Eich himself says that he wasn't fired: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22060716 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22060716

krick 6y ago

> Eich resigned. He wasn't fired. Oh, come on. We all know what "resigned" means, when the one resigning is a CEO.

XMPPwocky 6y ago
Besides things that everybody except me seems to know, do you have any evidence that Eich didn't step down for the reason he said he stepped down?
- chipotle_coyote 6y ago
  The only reason I can find that he gave was "I resigned because I could not be an effective leader under the circumstances"; I don't know what unrelated reasons you think he gave, although if you want to share a link, that'd be great. Mozilla's own blog post about his resignation was "Mozilla prides itself on being held to a different standard, and this past week, we didn't live up to it." It's super hard not to read all that as him being asked to resign, and CNET's rather long autopsy article on it says that the board wanted to offer him another position but he chose to quit everything. (That article also says that there was a lot of doubt about whether he'd make a good CEO for reasons entirely unrelated to this; he was known for, as a Mozilla Foundation director put it, having an "inability to connect and empathize with people.")
  - skissane 6y ago
    The Board didn't defend him publicly. I think, when a Board fails to publicly support their choice of CEO in face of a controversy, for a CEO that's basically a form of constructive dismissal.
    - chipotle_coyote 6y ago
      Yes, exactly. That’s what I was trying to get across by quoting Baker not defending him, and what “asked to resign” means. I generally don’t complain about HN downvotes, but it’s more puzzling to me than usual — do people think I was saying Eich wasn’t fired? [shrug emoji]
erik_seaberg 6y ago
I’m not a fan of angry mob cancel culture, but opposing them would have been a huge distraction from Mozilla’s mission.
foldr 6y ago
Eich himself says that he wasn't fired: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22060716 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22060716