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California ban on high-capacity magazines is overturned by federal appeals court
- limeblack 6y agoGun laws are at a much lower standard in the United States to other countries. It is one area the founding fathers got wrong in my opinion. Another example are background checks in the USA are not required for ammo purchases but yet are illegal in mental health and other situations which doesn't make sense.
- bifrost 6y agoThe bill of rights that explains why this is illegal.
- sg47 6y agoSchool shooters rejoice!
- CamperBob2 6y ago"I don't always argue in favor of gun control, but when I do, I wait until my country is being taken over by well-armed fascist elements."
- bifrost 6y agoThere haven't been any school shootings during CV19. It really isn't about the gun and more about the shooter.
- CamperBob2 6y agoValid point... but to be fair, that specific example could be because most schools have been closed during the outbreak. Frankly, I'm surprised more people haven't gone off their rocker and committed mass murders in the few public places that are still crowded. The pandemic has revealed quite a few pre-existing stress cracks in the foundations of civil society.
- Kednicma 6y agoIt took me less than a minute to debunk this, finding [0] listing six shootings since December 2019. School shootings are about schools, not about guns or shooters; as long as we run schools like preludes for prisons, we're going to continue to have the pattern. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States#2020s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_th...
- jmcguckin 6y agoNow I can finally assemble all those Glock magazine ‘repair kits’ I purchased...
- bifrost 6y agoThose were actually legal to own prior to this ruling...
- Alupis 6y agoAnd/Or if purchased during last year's "Freedom Week" (as part of the initial ruling in this case)
- bifrost 6y agoIndeed, millions and millions of magazines were sold with zero uptick in crime. These magazines are legal to purchase own in most of the US and are rarely ever used to commit crime. There are so many other things that are predictors of crime and this is absolutely not one of them.
- yurfzligy 6y agoGenerally it's fascists who restrict and take away gun ownership.
- abakker 6y agoI can't help but think the founding fathers probably wrote the second amendment with single shot muskets in mind. I think the ultimate issue, though, was that after the civil war, looking at what our founding fathers intended and what our country actually wanted to do became a less valid strategy. We fought for more federal control and got it. In doing so, the idea that we would still enshrine our rights to fight back against the government seems less consistent. After the sharp escalation in military technology from the 1950s onward, it seems even less relevant, since not only have our own citizens paid taxes to, fought in wars for, and voted for our government, but our global position has been one of strength through our government. Our right to own guns to fight our government is anachronistic and laughable. All other uses for firearms do not demand high capacity magazines.
- bifrost 6y agoThats preposterous, we don't allow the 1st amendment to only apply to printing presses or hand made leaflets/books. The founders were also aware of things like the puckle gun and multi-barreled weapons systems, all of which could be owned by civilians. There are a lot of reasons why you'd need a standard capacity magazine but the most important reason is "its not the business of the government to unconstitutionally deprive its citizens of their rights".
- jwhitlark 6y agoI think (perhaps) a better comparison is we don't allow people to shout fire in a crowded theater. Every right has some limitations, otherwise laws and government are irrelevant.
- bifrost 6y agoThats been a horrible analogy forever. https://www.thefire.org/a-reminder-about-shouting-fire-in-a-crowded-theater/ https://www.thefire.org/a-reminder-about-shouting-fire-in-a-... https://www.popehat.com/2012/09/19/three-generations-of-a-hackneyed-apologia-for-censorship-are-enough/ https://www.popehat.com/2012/09/19/three-generations-of-a-ha... If restricting magazine size had any benefit for law enforcement you might have a point, but it doesn't.
- threatofrain 6y agoLink to Duncan v Becerra decision (PDF): https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2020/08/14/19-55376.pdf https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2020/08/14/1...
- Alupis 6y agoCan we be intellectually honest? These are not "high-capacity" magazines - they are the standard capacity magazines the firearms were designed to work with. The 10-Round Limit Magazines are Low Capacity magazines, are not standard, are often the source of feeding malfunctions, and in many rifles - are cumbersome to use/remove making for an overall more dangerous situation for all involved. Ban "Standard Capacity" magazines? Bad guys do not follow your laws.
- jariel 6y ago"are often the source of feeding malfunctions, and in many rifles - are cumbersome to use/remove making for an overall more dangerous situation for all involved." This is false, especially the part about 'more dangerous for all involved'.
- Alupis 6y agoYou make the claim everything I said is false - do you have anything to backup your assertion? How often do you shoot a month? More than once? More than every weekend? Do you train and do you compete?
- jariel 6y agoIf 10 round magazines were in any way 'unsafe' - then we wouldn't use them. To characterise the extremely marginal degree of 'safety concern' when using a weapon which is 1000x more likely to cause harm through the means that it was designed for (i.e. shooting, getting shot) is a little ridiculous, especially in the context of the objective of the legislation. While individual laws may be pointless by themselves, the fact is the US is basically an unruly, unlawful dangerous place with levels of violent crime completely abnormal for any civilised country. Even if you account for a number of 'danger areas / ghettos ' with anomalies amounts of crime, it's still bad. The wide and easy availability of guns ostensibly destined for the hands of otherwise lawful gun owners is a big factor in what makes all this extreme violence possible. So if we want to have 30 round magazines and all those other things widely and easily available, open carry etc. (i.e the US is nothing resembling 'Switzerland') ... then we have to 'pay the price' and live with the consequences: about 10 times more likely to get shot and killed then if we lived in a civilised country without guns widely available, and without gun culture. The civilised places which have managed to live without widespread gun ownership have demonstrated that it's almost entirely a better option. Nobody is clamouring for guns in these places or contemplating that they need to follow America's example in this regard. In fact - just the opposite. Basically, America is looked upon as a complete failure when it comes to these things. What could work well? 'Well regulated Militias'. That might just work fine - rifles in the Armoury, keys held by the Sergeant at Arms. Not much but hunting rifles at home, locked up safely. Funny that ... 'Well regulated Militia' ...