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Honestly, one of the barriers to my moving to a more rural area and working remotely was broadband access, but Starlink could very well solve that problem...

Maximus9000 6y ago
You're not alone there. I wonder if starlink will increase property values in rural areas.
- trothamel 6y ago
  Especially with COVID showing the downsides to living in urban areas.
  - jonny_eh 6y ago
    I'd rather live in an urban area during a pandemic. It's counter-intuitive but the access to testing and hospitals is very important. https://theconversation.com/rural-america-is-more-vulnerable-to-covid-19-than-cities-are-and-its-starting-to-show-140532 https://theconversation.com/rural-america-is-more-vulnerable...
    - badloginagain 6y ago
      Larger amounts of people mean more chances of exposure. Being in urban environment means higher dependence on fragile supply chains- food security is totally dependent on JIT grocery store inventories. Rural homes, by virtue of being isolated, are easier to self isolate.
      - macintux 6y ago
        However, if you’re able to work from home, you can self-isolate pretty much anywhere, and drive wherever you need to get food. If urban environments start seriously breaking down due to a food supply chain problem, rural areas won’t be safe from desperate people. Anyway, both approaches have their pros and cons, but as someone who has a fairly severe back problem and not much inclination to try to live off the grid, I’d rather be in an urban area.
        shiftpgdn 6y ago
        A friend of mine who served in Afghanistan said that the Afghanis living in the mountains had no idea America had invaded and no idea about a war or 9/11. At first they had thought the Americans were Russians. I think you over estimate how big America is and how remote some places can be.
        Frondo 6y ago
        I've traveled through some pretty remote places in both hemispheres, and the US has nothing on isolation compared to the mountains in Central Asia. Remoteness won't really protect people here, not like it would there.
        mmm_grayons 6y ago
        > rural areas won't be safe from desperate people At least for America, most city folk don't seem to understand just how armed their rural counterparts are. They'd be pretty darn safe.
        Frondo 6y ago
        I don't know if rural folks may realize how well-armed we are in the cities. Nearly everyone I know has a gun, and none of us is the crowd you'd normally associate with gun owners in cities.
        kortilla 6y ago
        Well the the stats don’t lie. Gun ownership is significantly lower in cities than in rural areas/small towns.
        deleted 6y ago
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        aidenn0 6y ago
        Per capital is higher in rural, but there are going to be more guns in a N mile radius of you in the city, and a lot more armed individuals (ten people with one gun each are more dangerous than one person with ten guns).
    - thewebcount 6y ago
      Yes, this is so true. My spouse has a rare chronic condition and moving anywhere rural is a non-starter. Even with great doctors in a big city, it's still a struggle getting the care she needs. I can't imagine if we lived somewhere with less than stellar healthcare.
    - medion 6y ago
      I guess it depends on whether you are vulnerable health-wise. If you're fit and healthy and not of retirement age I really can't understand this kind of thinking.
    - reaperducer 6y ago
      I'd rather live in an urban area during a pandemic. Consider yourself an outlier. I subscribe to several regional real estate newsletters, and for the last five months they've been all about people moving out of the cities and into small towns. It's counter-intuitive but the access to testing and hospitals is very important. As with any disease, the best treatment is prevention. Which is what being rural gives you.
    - fuzxi 6y ago
      I'd argue that there's less need for testing in the first place when your nearest neighbors live a mile away.
    - ekianjo 6y ago
      > I'd rather live in an urban area during a pandemic. Depends what kind of pandemic. If being in a city increased your exposure and infection rates 10 fold, and the disease is a killer without treatment, it's a lot worse to live in a city.
      - Retric 6y ago
        Rural areas have often had higher rates of covid 19 infections than cities in the area. Look here for some examples: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/county-map.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/coun... Some of this is simple variance, but rural areas are surprisingly dangerous over time where cities simply show up sooner.
        ekianjo 6y ago
        > have often had higher rates of covid 19 infections than cities in the area Several factors at play: - people thought COVID19 was not a thing outside of cities so people were more careless in rural areas - wearing of masks is much less in rural areas than cities - more local communities in rural areas (religious services for example) But if you NEED to isolate yourself it's much easier to do it in the countryside than in a city.
        Retric 6y ago
        > But if you NEED to isolate yourself it’s much easier to do in the countryside than in a city. In practice there are several flaws in that assumption. The lack of grocery deliveries is one major issue with rural isolation. Keep digging and you find several short vs long term issues. Consider, if you need a car you then need to eventually take it in for repairs etc.
        ekianjo 6y ago
        In rural areas you have more space to stock food to live completely off the usual distribution networks for a longer time. In cities if you live in a small apartment you are tributary to shopping very often or having deliveries frequently, which increases the chance of contamination.
- dzhiurgis 6y ago
  Or yacht prices, once it works on them. Right now tho, with not much to go I'd say they should drop. I have a scraper, but analysing data is pain.
randomdata 6y ago
As long as you are willing to be somewhat discriminating, you can find rural areas with great internet service. My farm has a fibre connection and the ISP offers 100/100 service. If you travel a few miles down the road, the ISP there will provide gigabit service.
medion 6y ago
In Australia I moved to a very rural place, buying a house based on where I could get wireless broadband as part of our nationwide broadband rollout - I now live in a beautiful remote place overlooking the ocean with 50/20mbps Internet. Before here, I lived in another rural place near the ocean, however there was no broadband and 4G was too expensive. I ended up making friends with someone who had a 1gbps fibrelink 10km away - we spent weekends building a point to point network, and I ended up with an extremely reliable 20mbps connection for about $300 in parts over Mikrotik routers. As other people have said, you can make it happen if you really want!
- choeger 6y ago
  Ok you got me with "overlooking the ocean". I will admit, I was a little bit envious. But then I recalled the great Terry Pratchett quote that you are living on a continent where pretty much every animal, except for maybe some sheep, is equipped with some venom and actively trying to kill you. Plus some of the plants. So I guess it's fair play.
  - dylan604 6y ago
    Move one more island over to New Zealand. The animal kingdom is much more friendly.
    - BigJono 6y ago
      Rubbish. I went to New Zealand once and the fucking mozzies were the size of a golf ball. I'll take the one redback encounter every 5 years in Australia thanks.
      - dylan604 6y ago
        Haha, an Aussie complaining about the insects from other countries. That's rich!! When the mosquitoes are that size, they are easy to see and catch. Here in the southern part of the US, we have to keep our small kids on leashes lest the "mozzies" carry them away.
      - 6y ago

Maximus9000 6y ago

You're not alone there. I wonder if starlink will increase property values in rural areas.

trothamel 6y ago
Especially with COVID showing the downsides to living in urban areas.
- jonny_eh 6y ago
  I'd rather live in an urban area during a pandemic. It's counter-intuitive but the access to testing and hospitals is very important. https://theconversation.com/rural-america-is-more-vulnerable-to-covid-19-than-cities-are-and-its-starting-to-show-140532 https://theconversation.com/rural-america-is-more-vulnerable...
  - badloginagain 6y ago
    Larger amounts of people mean more chances of exposure. Being in urban environment means higher dependence on fragile supply chains- food security is totally dependent on JIT grocery store inventories. Rural homes, by virtue of being isolated, are easier to self isolate.
    - macintux 6y ago
      However, if you’re able to work from home, you can self-isolate pretty much anywhere, and drive wherever you need to get food. If urban environments start seriously breaking down due to a food supply chain problem, rural areas won’t be safe from desperate people. Anyway, both approaches have their pros and cons, but as someone who has a fairly severe back problem and not much inclination to try to live off the grid, I’d rather be in an urban area.
      - shiftpgdn 6y ago
        A friend of mine who served in Afghanistan said that the Afghanis living in the mountains had no idea America had invaded and no idea about a war or 9/11. At first they had thought the Americans were Russians. I think you over estimate how big America is and how remote some places can be.
        Frondo 6y ago
        I've traveled through some pretty remote places in both hemispheres, and the US has nothing on isolation compared to the mountains in Central Asia. Remoteness won't really protect people here, not like it would there.
      - mmm_grayons 6y ago
        > rural areas won't be safe from desperate people At least for America, most city folk don't seem to understand just how armed their rural counterparts are. They'd be pretty darn safe.
        Frondo 6y ago
        I don't know if rural folks may realize how well-armed we are in the cities. Nearly everyone I know has a gun, and none of us is the crowd you'd normally associate with gun owners in cities.
        kortilla 6y ago
        Well the the stats don’t lie. Gun ownership is significantly lower in cities than in rural areas/small towns.
        deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
        aidenn0 6y ago
        Per capital is higher in rural, but there are going to be more guns in a N mile radius of you in the city, and a lot more armed individuals (ten people with one gun each are more dangerous than one person with ten guns).
  - thewebcount 6y ago
    Yes, this is so true. My spouse has a rare chronic condition and moving anywhere rural is a non-starter. Even with great doctors in a big city, it's still a struggle getting the care she needs. I can't imagine if we lived somewhere with less than stellar healthcare.
  - medion 6y ago
    I guess it depends on whether you are vulnerable health-wise. If you're fit and healthy and not of retirement age I really can't understand this kind of thinking.
  - reaperducer 6y ago
    I'd rather live in an urban area during a pandemic. Consider yourself an outlier. I subscribe to several regional real estate newsletters, and for the last five months they've been all about people moving out of the cities and into small towns. It's counter-intuitive but the access to testing and hospitals is very important. As with any disease, the best treatment is prevention. Which is what being rural gives you.
  - fuzxi 6y ago
    I'd argue that there's less need for testing in the first place when your nearest neighbors live a mile away.
  - ekianjo 6y ago
    > I'd rather live in an urban area during a pandemic. Depends what kind of pandemic. If being in a city increased your exposure and infection rates 10 fold, and the disease is a killer without treatment, it's a lot worse to live in a city.
    - Retric 6y ago
      Rural areas have often had higher rates of covid 19 infections than cities in the area. Look here for some examples: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/county-map.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/coun... Some of this is simple variance, but rural areas are surprisingly dangerous over time where cities simply show up sooner.
      - ekianjo 6y ago
        > have often had higher rates of covid 19 infections than cities in the area Several factors at play: - people thought COVID19 was not a thing outside of cities so people were more careless in rural areas - wearing of masks is much less in rural areas than cities - more local communities in rural areas (religious services for example) But if you NEED to isolate yourself it's much easier to do it in the countryside than in a city.
        Retric 6y ago
        > But if you NEED to isolate yourself it’s much easier to do in the countryside than in a city. In practice there are several flaws in that assumption. The lack of grocery deliveries is one major issue with rural isolation. Keep digging and you find several short vs long term issues. Consider, if you need a car you then need to eventually take it in for repairs etc.
        ekianjo 6y ago
        In rural areas you have more space to stock food to live completely off the usual distribution networks for a longer time. In cities if you live in a small apartment you are tributary to shopping very often or having deliveries frequently, which increases the chance of contamination.
dzhiurgis 6y ago
Or yacht prices, once it works on them. Right now tho, with not much to go I'd say they should drop. I have a scraper, but analysing data is pain.

randomdata 6y ago

As long as you are willing to be somewhat discriminating, you can find rural areas with great internet service. My farm has a fibre connection and the ISP offers 100/100 service. If you travel a few miles down the road, the ISP there will provide gigabit service.

medion 6y ago

In Australia I moved to a very rural place, buying a house based on where I could get wireless broadband as part of our nationwide broadband rollout - I now live in a beautiful remote place overlooking the ocean with 50/20mbps Internet. Before here, I lived in another rural place near the ocean, however there was no broadband and 4G was too expensive. I ended up making friends with someone who had a 1gbps fibrelink 10km away - we spent weekends building a point to point network, and I ended up with an extremely reliable 20mbps connection for about $300 in parts over Mikrotik routers. As other people have said, you can make it happen if you really want!

choeger 6y ago
Ok you got me with "overlooking the ocean". I will admit, I was a little bit envious. But then I recalled the great Terry Pratchett quote that you are living on a continent where pretty much every animal, except for maybe some sheep, is equipped with some venom and actively trying to kill you. Plus some of the plants. So I guess it's fair play.
- dylan604 6y ago
  Move one more island over to New Zealand. The animal kingdom is much more friendly.
  - BigJono 6y ago
    Rubbish. I went to New Zealand once and the fucking mozzies were the size of a golf ball. I'll take the one redback encounter every 5 years in Australia thanks.
    - dylan604 6y ago
      Haha, an Aussie complaining about the insects from other countries. That's rich!! When the mosquitoes are that size, they are easy to see and catch. Here in the southern part of the US, we have to keep our small kids on leashes lest the "mozzies" carry them away.
    - 6y ago