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Precisely. Everyone fails to see what happen to Brendon was a coup: Not by equality-loving do-gooders, but by cynical MBA middle management who saw their opport

by _red 6y ago

Precisely. Everyone fails to see what happen to Brendon was a coup: Not by equality-loving do-gooders, but by cynical MBA middle management who saw their opportunity to loot and plunder once the founders were out of the way. Its pretty amazing they've been able to keep their street-cred alive this long.

calcifer 6y ago
> cynical MBA middle management Yeah, those cynical MBA guys who just couldn't stomach working for a homophobe... So what if he didn't want his gay employees to be able to marry? /s, obviously.
- nix23 6y ago
  Ahh the black and white vision i see....
  - calcifer 6y ago
    Yes, LGBT+ rights are a black and white issue. How is that even controversial in 2020?
    - nix23 6y ago
      >LGBT+ rights are a black and white issue. That's where you are wrong, i thinks that everyone has the right to marry anyone else (within limits) BUT i also think that everyone has the right to express his believes, and that is why the WORLD and the Peoples are NOT black or White...can you imagine that i met a Christian Gay who was absolute against Gay-Marriages? Yes that exists and i'm ok with his believes, and when i was 16 i got smashed by a Black Neonazi, i was NOT ok with that...funny eh? In fact that was one of my biggest life lessons ever. EDIT: And i don't say you have to accept those believe, but you have to accept the person who has those believes.
      - true_religion 6y ago
        When you say black, do you mean skin color? Because that sounds unbelievable. If true, it would be a great story to elaborate on since that kind of self hate is rare.
        nix23 6y ago
        >When you say black The Neonazi? Yes he was black(skin), maybe it was self hate maybe not..i really don't know, but what i knew he was really aggressive and no one liked him, maybe he just wanted friend's...that's what i think.
      - kelnos 6y ago
        Everyone has the right to express their beliefs, but I also have the right to think that they are awful people based on those beliefs, and not want to associate with them, do business with them, etc. I'm not sure what you mean by "accept the person" with those beliefs. I don't have to accept anything. I must accept that they exist, obviously, but that doesn't really mean anything.
        nix23 6y ago
        >I'm not sure what you mean by "accept the person" with those beliefs. That you cannot kill him, mute him or trow him into a prison, that person has the same rights as you no matter what his believes are.
        kelnos 6y ago
        Sure, I agree with that, but I don't see how that's a useful argument. Accepting that someone exists and has particular beliefs does not mean I have to support their beliefs, give them a platform to spread them, or stand by quietly while they spew what I believe to be nonsense.
        nix23 6y ago
        Because i said that the world is NOT Black or White. >or stand by quietly Sometimes you should, sometimes you dont.
dangoor 6y ago
> by cynical MBA middle management who saw their opportunity to loot and plunder once the founders were out of the way. Mitchell Baker, current CEO, _is_ one of the founders. From wikipedioa[1]: "Baker was instrumental in the creation of the Mozilla Foundation" [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker
- gruez 6y ago
  It doesn't really go deeply into how she was instrumental. A corporation can't be founded without a lawyer to file the paperwork, does that mean the lawyer that filed Uber's incorporation documents should be consider a "founder"? Also, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22060372 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22060372 >[...] She was trained and worked as a lawyer. She went to Berkeley, not to study computer science or electrical engineering, but to study law. She graduated and went to a San Francisco law firm that specialized in intellectual property and had many clients in Silicon Valley. She eventually left and worked for Sun in the legal department. Netscape recruited her to help set up their legal department and that is how she became an executive at a technology company. She stayed at Netscape when it was bought by AOL to work on policy issues, but was eventually fired during a series of layoffs. >The only "foundational" piece of Mozilla she authored was the Mozilla Public License.
  - jasonlotito 6y ago
    "“It has been a long-standing objective of the Mozilla team to create an independent organization so we can continue to lead and innovate,” said Mitchell Baker, Chief Lizard Wrangler at mozilla.org, who will become President of The Mozilla Foundation." Just a lawyer. MBA middle management. Not a founder. Right. https://blog.mozilla.org/press/2003/07/mozilla-org-announces-launch-of-the-mozilla-foundation-to-lead-open-source-browser-efforts/ https://blog.mozilla.org/press/2003/07/mozilla-org-announces...
  - dangoor 6y ago
    Many organizations have non-technical founders in addition to the technical ones. IIRC, Mitchell has been the chairperson of the board for ages (if not the whole time) and has moved into and out of the CEO role as needs dictated, including being CEO for the first few years when Firefox was growing, in addition to the most recent year or two.

by _red 6y ago

calcifer 6y ago

> cynical MBA middle management Yeah, those cynical MBA guys who just couldn't stomach working for a homophobe... So what if he didn't want his gay employees to be able to marry? /s, obviously.

nix23 6y ago
Ahh the black and white vision i see....
- calcifer 6y ago
  Yes, LGBT+ rights are a black and white issue. How is that even controversial in 2020?
  - nix23 6y ago
    >LGBT+ rights are a black and white issue. That's where you are wrong, i thinks that everyone has the right to marry anyone else (within limits) BUT i also think that everyone has the right to express his believes, and that is why the WORLD and the Peoples are NOT black or White...can you imagine that i met a Christian Gay who was absolute against Gay-Marriages? Yes that exists and i'm ok with his believes, and when i was 16 i got smashed by a Black Neonazi, i was NOT ok with that...funny eh? In fact that was one of my biggest life lessons ever. EDIT: And i don't say you have to accept those believe, but you have to accept the person who has those believes.
    - true_religion 6y ago
      When you say black, do you mean skin color? Because that sounds unbelievable. If true, it would be a great story to elaborate on since that kind of self hate is rare.
      - nix23 6y ago
        >When you say black The Neonazi? Yes he was black(skin), maybe it was self hate maybe not..i really don't know, but what i knew he was really aggressive and no one liked him, maybe he just wanted friend's...that's what i think.
    - kelnos 6y ago
      Everyone has the right to express their beliefs, but I also have the right to think that they are awful people based on those beliefs, and not want to associate with them, do business with them, etc. I'm not sure what you mean by "accept the person" with those beliefs. I don't have to accept anything. I must accept that they exist, obviously, but that doesn't really mean anything.
      - nix23 6y ago
        >I'm not sure what you mean by "accept the person" with those beliefs. That you cannot kill him, mute him or trow him into a prison, that person has the same rights as you no matter what his believes are.
        kelnos 6y ago
        Sure, I agree with that, but I don't see how that's a useful argument. Accepting that someone exists and has particular beliefs does not mean I have to support their beliefs, give them a platform to spread them, or stand by quietly while they spew what I believe to be nonsense.
        nix23 6y ago
        Because i said that the world is NOT Black or White. >or stand by quietly Sometimes you should, sometimes you dont.

dangoor 6y ago

> by cynical MBA middle management who saw their opportunity to loot and plunder once the founders were out of the way. Mitchell Baker, current CEO, _is_ one of the founders. From wikipedioa[1]: "Baker was instrumental in the creation of the Mozilla Foundation" [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker

gruez 6y ago
It doesn't really go deeply into how she was instrumental. A corporation can't be founded without a lawyer to file the paperwork, does that mean the lawyer that filed Uber's incorporation documents should be consider a "founder"? Also, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22060372 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22060372 >[...] She was trained and worked as a lawyer. She went to Berkeley, not to study computer science or electrical engineering, but to study law. She graduated and went to a San Francisco law firm that specialized in intellectual property and had many clients in Silicon Valley. She eventually left and worked for Sun in the legal department. Netscape recruited her to help set up their legal department and that is how she became an executive at a technology company. She stayed at Netscape when it was bought by AOL to work on policy issues, but was eventually fired during a series of layoffs. >The only "foundational" piece of Mozilla she authored was the Mozilla Public License.
- jasonlotito 6y ago
  "“It has been a long-standing objective of the Mozilla team to create an independent organization so we can continue to lead and innovate,” said Mitchell Baker, Chief Lizard Wrangler at mozilla.org, who will become President of The Mozilla Foundation." Just a lawyer. MBA middle management. Not a founder. Right. https://blog.mozilla.org/press/2003/07/mozilla-org-announces-launch-of-the-mozilla-foundation-to-lead-open-source-browser-efforts/ https://blog.mozilla.org/press/2003/07/mozilla-org-announces...
- dangoor 6y ago
  Many organizations have non-technical founders in addition to the technical ones. IIRC, Mitchell has been the chairperson of the board for ages (if not the whole time) and has moved into and out of the CEO role as needs dictated, including being CEO for the first few years when Firefox was growing, in addition to the most recent year or two.