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The US is pushing against every nation, except IL. Even old partners from five eyes are not save anymore. Recent pushes against Canada demonstrate that. - The r

The US is pushing against every nation, except IL. Even old partners from five eyes are not save anymore. Recent pushes against Canada demonstrate that. - The rest of the world is constantly shocked about US actions against almost every nation or institution (UN, WHO, ICJ, many more). Slowly they realize that they need to build new alliances that are not only in favor of the US. China sees the vacuum and is being pushed in new directions. Latest move: In the Middle East, cooperating with Iran, shocking Israel with that move. - The US are hurting themselves in the long run by trying to make politics by brute force.

fermienrico 6y ago
The next president is going to have to go around and sew broken relationships the current administration has torn apart.
- cstross 6y ago
  Bad news: people outside the US have memories longer than 4 (or 8) years. Even if the next POTUS does make nice, there will thereafter always be the memory of how rapidly Trump tanked the USA's relationships. As a result, nobody will be able to count on US cooperation/amity for long term planning purposes without building in contingency plans for a "what if the next POTUS reverses course abruptly" situation. It might be fixable with a constitutional rebalancing to reduce the ability of the president to rule as an executive without congressional oversight, but that hardly seems likely short of there being a revolution or civil war. So US "soft power" is probably irrevocably damaged, at least for the next 8-20 years.
  - Gibbon1 6y ago
    Yeah no one's going to forget that a big chuck of the US voted for the current administration and will vote for them again. And they especially aren't going forget that the majority of business leaders are supporting the current administration. That includes all FAANG companies.
- dencodev 6y ago
  At the cost of trillions of dollars and millions of jobs from Americans no doubt. Historically our international relations have been a disaster for the US and Trump is nothing new.
- crisdux 6y ago
  This is so melodramatic. The vast majority of our interactions with the world are institutionalized to a point where one president can't unhinge them. The things the current admin changed were on flimsy standing to begin with. An under-appreciated truth about the Obama era was their foreign policy was mostly rife with ineffectiveness and lack of results. The current admin didn't inherit much. Furthermore, our allies are pretty accustomed to America's always shifting between hyper focus and apathy towards the rest of the world. Think about things on a larger context, think 100 years not 4 years.
LockAndLol 6y ago
Americans voting for Trump again would only make the world a better place. Finally more countries would try and work together and leave the US out in the cold. Maybe we could make stronger and more diverse bonds against tyrants like Trump and his ilk.
- war1025 6y ago
  As a Trump supporter, I agree with everything you wrote except the part where you call Trump a tyrant. The US shouldn't be the world's babysitter. Countries need to work together and not look to a single country for leadership.
  - LockAndLol 6y ago
    OK, calling him a tyrant isn't correct, but he doesn't have the country's best interest at heart - his interests trump (pun unintended) those of his fellow countrymen and women. > The US shouldn't be the world's babysitter. The US declared itself the world's babysitter. The current state of multiple countries that "require babysitting" has been a direct effect of unwanted and unwarranted American involvement. A lot of it was due to an extraordinary fear of communism, but most of it due to corporate interests. America may like to think itself the best and the most important, but it would do well to reign in its corporations and government from putting fingers where they don't belong. There are far more domestic issues to be tackled first than foreign ones: opiods, healthcare, weapons, internet freedom, monopolies, discrimination, fake news, education, the prison industrial complex, surveillance and lots more. Take care of your citizens first.
    - war1025 6y ago
      > Take care of your citizens first. Oddly enough, Trump's mantra is "America first", which many people take to mean exactly the things you just mentioned.
      - LockAndLol 6y ago
        That's one thing I can agree with him on. He doesn't seem to be doing a good job thereof domestically, but internationally that looks different. So yeah, Trump 2020!

fermienrico 6y ago

The next president is going to have to go around and sew broken relationships the current administration has torn apart.

cstross 6y ago
Bad news: people outside the US have memories longer than 4 (or 8) years. Even if the next POTUS does make nice, there will thereafter always be the memory of how rapidly Trump tanked the USA's relationships. As a result, nobody will be able to count on US cooperation/amity for long term planning purposes without building in contingency plans for a "what if the next POTUS reverses course abruptly" situation. It might be fixable with a constitutional rebalancing to reduce the ability of the president to rule as an executive without congressional oversight, but that hardly seems likely short of there being a revolution or civil war. So US "soft power" is probably irrevocably damaged, at least for the next 8-20 years.
- Gibbon1 6y ago
  Yeah no one's going to forget that a big chuck of the US voted for the current administration and will vote for them again. And they especially aren't going forget that the majority of business leaders are supporting the current administration. That includes all FAANG companies.
dencodev 6y ago
At the cost of trillions of dollars and millions of jobs from Americans no doubt. Historically our international relations have been a disaster for the US and Trump is nothing new.
crisdux 6y ago
This is so melodramatic. The vast majority of our interactions with the world are institutionalized to a point where one president can't unhinge them. The things the current admin changed were on flimsy standing to begin with. An under-appreciated truth about the Obama era was their foreign policy was mostly rife with ineffectiveness and lack of results. The current admin didn't inherit much. Furthermore, our allies are pretty accustomed to America's always shifting between hyper focus and apathy towards the rest of the world. Think about things on a larger context, think 100 years not 4 years.

LockAndLol 6y ago

Americans voting for Trump again would only make the world a better place. Finally more countries would try and work together and leave the US out in the cold. Maybe we could make stronger and more diverse bonds against tyrants like Trump and his ilk.

war1025 6y ago
As a Trump supporter, I agree with everything you wrote except the part where you call Trump a tyrant. The US shouldn't be the world's babysitter. Countries need to work together and not look to a single country for leadership.
- LockAndLol 6y ago
  OK, calling him a tyrant isn't correct, but he doesn't have the country's best interest at heart - his interests trump (pun unintended) those of his fellow countrymen and women. > The US shouldn't be the world's babysitter. The US declared itself the world's babysitter. The current state of multiple countries that "require babysitting" has been a direct effect of unwanted and unwarranted American involvement. A lot of it was due to an extraordinary fear of communism, but most of it due to corporate interests. America may like to think itself the best and the most important, but it would do well to reign in its corporations and government from putting fingers where they don't belong. There are far more domestic issues to be tackled first than foreign ones: opiods, healthcare, weapons, internet freedom, monopolies, discrimination, fake news, education, the prison industrial complex, surveillance and lots more. Take care of your citizens first.
  - war1025 6y ago
    > Take care of your citizens first. Oddly enough, Trump's mantra is "America first", which many people take to mean exactly the things you just mentioned.
    - LockAndLol 6y ago
      That's one thing I can agree with him on. He doesn't seem to be doing a good job thereof domestically, but internationally that looks different. So yeah, Trump 2020!