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Yes people bunched up and sweating all over each other and yelling is not a superspreader event. This reminds me of the same braindead talking points people wo

Yes people bunched up and sweating all over each other and yelling is not a superspreader event. This reminds me of the same braindead talking points people would trot out about masks not working because the "experts" said so. Now the same people are mindlessly saying that masks are a panacea and should be mandatory in all environments regardless of the context. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-06/want-to-avoid-virus-forget-face-masks-top-airline-doctor-says https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-06/want-to-a...

ntsplnkv2 6y ago
> Yes people bunched up and sweating all over each other and yelling is not a superspreader event. Is there evidence that it is you can actually provide?
kube-system 6y ago
Even if it is, you misunderstand the reason for the difference in regulation. Occupancy rules set by local authorities apply to buildings. A church has one, and a protest in the street does not. There are many churches which have worked around the regulations by doing the same -- worshiping outside.
ceejayoz 6y ago
> Yes people bunched up and sweating all over each other and yelling is not a superspreader event. This is a very testable claim. NYC had sustained, massive BLM protests in May/June. Where's the resulting spike in cases?
- googthrowaway42 6y ago
  Here's Minnesota, home of the BLM protests: Second wave begins within 14 days of the protests and rioting. Remember that there's an incubation period. https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/situation.html https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/situatio...
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    > Second wave begins within 14 days of the protests and rioting. Sure, and Memorial Day. MN didn't require masking until late July. (They also reopened bars on June 1: https://www.minnpost.com/state-government/2020/05/what-to-know-about-minnesotas-latest-guidelines-for-reopening-bars-restaurants-and-salons/ https://www.minnpost.com/state-government/2020/05/what-to-kn...) Again, why no spike in NYC? There's actually evidence that the protests caused more social distancing in areas where they occurred: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/06/30/black-lives-matter-protests-did-not-cause-an-uptick-in-covid-19-cases https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/06/30/black-li...
    - googthrowaway42 6y ago
      Right if you're going to bring up Memorial Day then your question was asked in bad faith since you would always assert that as an alternative explanation. To live in NYC is to live in extremely close contact with other people on a daily basis (I know since I have lived there) and the virus had already been spreading there since January so I wouldn't expect much of a difference. I wouldn't be surprised if 80%+ of NYC had been exposed by the time the lockdowns started, especially the demographic that was out protesting. Just common sense and a basic knowledge of epidemiology.
      - ceejayoz 6y ago
        > Right if you're going to bring up Memorial Day then your question was asked in bad faith since you would always assert that as an alternative explanation. Ignoring Memorial Day and bars opening would be in bad faith. We're able to look at different areas and compare them. Thus far, the evidence indicates the protests did not result in superspreading events. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/24/883017035/what-contact-tracing-may-tell-about-cluster-spread-of-the-coronavirus https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0... > "We did have a rally in Bellingham, which is our county seat, and there was also a protest, and we have not been able to connect a single case to that rally or to the protest, and what we're finding is in large part that's due to the use of masks," Erika Lautenbach, the director of the Whatcom County Health Department in Washington State, tells NPR's All Things Considered. "Almost everyone at the rally was wearing a mask, and it's really a testament to how effective masks are in preventing the spread of this disease." > For the clusters that have popped up, Lautenbach says the state has been using contact tracing to learn more about how they're contributing to the spread of the virus. For instance, it found that 14 cases were associated with a party of 100 to 150 people in early June. Subsequently, 15 more cases were associated with the original 14. "Just common sense and a basic knowledge of epidemiology." It's weird how the epidemiologists don't seem to agree with you, in that case.

ntsplnkv2 6y ago

> Yes people bunched up and sweating all over each other and yelling is not a superspreader event. Is there evidence that it is you can actually provide?

kube-system 6y ago

Even if it is, you misunderstand the reason for the difference in regulation. Occupancy rules set by local authorities apply to buildings. A church has one, and a protest in the street does not. There are many churches which have worked around the regulations by doing the same -- worshiping outside.

ceejayoz 6y ago

> Yes people bunched up and sweating all over each other and yelling is not a superspreader event. This is a very testable claim. NYC had sustained, massive BLM protests in May/June. Where's the resulting spike in cases?

googthrowaway42 6y ago
Here's Minnesota, home of the BLM protests: Second wave begins within 14 days of the protests and rioting. Remember that there's an incubation period. https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/situation.html https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/situatio...
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  > Second wave begins within 14 days of the protests and rioting. Sure, and Memorial Day. MN didn't require masking until late July. (They also reopened bars on June 1: https://www.minnpost.com/state-government/2020/05/what-to-know-about-minnesotas-latest-guidelines-for-reopening-bars-restaurants-and-salons/ https://www.minnpost.com/state-government/2020/05/what-to-kn...) Again, why no spike in NYC? There's actually evidence that the protests caused more social distancing in areas where they occurred: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/06/30/black-lives-matter-protests-did-not-cause-an-uptick-in-covid-19-cases https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/06/30/black-li...
  - googthrowaway42 6y ago
    Right if you're going to bring up Memorial Day then your question was asked in bad faith since you would always assert that as an alternative explanation. To live in NYC is to live in extremely close contact with other people on a daily basis (I know since I have lived there) and the virus had already been spreading there since January so I wouldn't expect much of a difference. I wouldn't be surprised if 80%+ of NYC had been exposed by the time the lockdowns started, especially the demographic that was out protesting. Just common sense and a basic knowledge of epidemiology.
    - ceejayoz 6y ago
      > Right if you're going to bring up Memorial Day then your question was asked in bad faith since you would always assert that as an alternative explanation. Ignoring Memorial Day and bars opening would be in bad faith. We're able to look at different areas and compare them. Thus far, the evidence indicates the protests did not result in superspreading events. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/24/883017035/what-contact-tracing-may-tell-about-cluster-spread-of-the-coronavirus https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0... > "We did have a rally in Bellingham, which is our county seat, and there was also a protest, and we have not been able to connect a single case to that rally or to the protest, and what we're finding is in large part that's due to the use of masks," Erika Lautenbach, the director of the Whatcom County Health Department in Washington State, tells NPR's All Things Considered. "Almost everyone at the rally was wearing a mask, and it's really a testament to how effective masks are in preventing the spread of this disease." > For the clusters that have popped up, Lautenbach says the state has been using contact tracing to learn more about how they're contributing to the spread of the virus. For instance, it found that 14 cases were associated with a party of 100 to 150 people in early June. Subsequently, 15 more cases were associated with the original 14. "Just common sense and a basic knowledge of epidemiology." It's weird how the epidemiologists don't seem to agree with you, in that case.