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The BLM protests are all outdoors and have not been shown to be superspreader events. Church services held indoors have been shown many times to be superspreade

by dwater 6y ago

The BLM protests are all outdoors and have not been shown to be superspreader events. Church services held indoors have been shown many times to be superspreader events. Your argument that any government anywhere in the US tried to use the pandemic to suppress religion is not supported by the evidence. https://www.click2houston.com/health/2020/05/29/what-are-covid-19-super-spreaders-and-why-are-church-choir-lofts-on-the-list/ https://www.click2houston.com/health/2020/05/29/what-are-cov... https://www.businessinsider.com/church-oregon-largest-coronavirus-outbreak-superspreading-2020-6?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/church-oregon-largest-corona... https://www.news4jax.com/i-team/2020/08/04/jacksonville-church-members-experienced-covid-19-symptoms-before-florida-reported-its-1st-cases/ https://www.news4jax.com/i-team/2020/08/04/jacksonville-chur... https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/05/health/ohio-church-coronavirus-spread/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/05/health/ohio-church-coronaviru...

kolbe 6y ago
It takes a very partisan mind, IMO, to not see that yelling in dense outdoor crowds is nearly as dangerous as singing in a large building with 50 foot ceilings.
- kube-system 6y ago
  Even if we find out that being in a church has zero risk, asking a church to follow building occupancy regulations is still constitutional. Building codes are precautionary, and they apply to buildings, which are in no way related or predicated on any regulations that apply to standing in the middle of a street. Constitutionality aside, I don't think the current scientific consensus supports your opinion about risk either. Buildings recirculate their air, 50ft ceiling or not.
googthrowaway42 6y ago
Yes people bunched up and sweating all over each other and yelling is not a superspreader event. This reminds me of the same braindead talking points people would trot out about masks not working because the "experts" said so. Now the same people are mindlessly saying that masks are a panacea and should be mandatory in all environments regardless of the context. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-06/want-to-avoid-virus-forget-face-masks-top-airline-doctor-says https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-06/want-to-a...
- ntsplnkv2 6y ago
  > Yes people bunched up and sweating all over each other and yelling is not a superspreader event. Is there evidence that it is you can actually provide?
- kube-system 6y ago
  Even if it is, you misunderstand the reason for the difference in regulation. Occupancy rules set by local authorities apply to buildings. A church has one, and a protest in the street does not. There are many churches which have worked around the regulations by doing the same -- worshiping outside.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  > Yes people bunched up and sweating all over each other and yelling is not a superspreader event. This is a very testable claim. NYC had sustained, massive BLM protests in May/June. Where's the resulting spike in cases?
  - googthrowaway42 6y ago
    Here's Minnesota, home of the BLM protests: Second wave begins within 14 days of the protests and rioting. Remember that there's an incubation period. https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/situation.html https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/situatio...
    - ceejayoz 6y ago
      > Second wave begins within 14 days of the protests and rioting. Sure, and Memorial Day. MN didn't require masking until late July. (They also reopened bars on June 1: https://www.minnpost.com/state-government/2020/05/what-to-know-about-minnesotas-latest-guidelines-for-reopening-bars-restaurants-and-salons/ https://www.minnpost.com/state-government/2020/05/what-to-kn...) Again, why no spike in NYC? There's actually evidence that the protests caused more social distancing in areas where they occurred: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/06/30/black-lives-matter-protests-did-not-cause-an-uptick-in-covid-19-cases https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/06/30/black-li...

by dwater 6y ago

kolbe 6y ago

It takes a very partisan mind, IMO, to not see that yelling in dense outdoor crowds is nearly as dangerous as singing in a large building with 50 foot ceilings.

kube-system 6y ago
Even if we find out that being in a church has zero risk, asking a church to follow building occupancy regulations is still constitutional. Building codes are precautionary, and they apply to buildings, which are in no way related or predicated on any regulations that apply to standing in the middle of a street. Constitutionality aside, I don't think the current scientific consensus supports your opinion about risk either. Buildings recirculate their air, 50ft ceiling or not.

googthrowaway42 6y ago

Yes people bunched up and sweating all over each other and yelling is not a superspreader event. This reminds me of the same braindead talking points people would trot out about masks not working because the "experts" said so. Now the same people are mindlessly saying that masks are a panacea and should be mandatory in all environments regardless of the context. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-06/want-to-avoid-virus-forget-face-masks-top-airline-doctor-says https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-06/want-to-a...

ntsplnkv2 6y ago
> Yes people bunched up and sweating all over each other and yelling is not a superspreader event. Is there evidence that it is you can actually provide?
kube-system 6y ago
Even if it is, you misunderstand the reason for the difference in regulation. Occupancy rules set by local authorities apply to buildings. A church has one, and a protest in the street does not. There are many churches which have worked around the regulations by doing the same -- worshiping outside.
ceejayoz 6y ago
> Yes people bunched up and sweating all over each other and yelling is not a superspreader event. This is a very testable claim. NYC had sustained, massive BLM protests in May/June. Where's the resulting spike in cases?
- googthrowaway42 6y ago
  Here's Minnesota, home of the BLM protests: Second wave begins within 14 days of the protests and rioting. Remember that there's an incubation period. https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/situation.html https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/situatio...
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    > Second wave begins within 14 days of the protests and rioting. Sure, and Memorial Day. MN didn't require masking until late July. (They also reopened bars on June 1: https://www.minnpost.com/state-government/2020/05/what-to-know-about-minnesotas-latest-guidelines-for-reopening-bars-restaurants-and-salons/ https://www.minnpost.com/state-government/2020/05/what-to-kn...) Again, why no spike in NYC? There's actually evidence that the protests caused more social distancing in areas where they occurred: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/06/30/black-lives-matter-protests-did-not-cause-an-uptick-in-covid-19-cases https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/06/30/black-li...