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> ...average salary is probably close to $200K. Mozilla employs some of the world's best talent who could walk away any minute and double their salary. I'd eve

> ...average salary is probably close to $200K. Mozilla employs some of the world's best talent who could walk away any minute and double their salary. I'd even wager that it is a great service some of them do to stay where they are and not be lured by the big money they could be making literally anywhere else. The salaries they earn are more than fair, in my eyes. I'm terribly disappointed that Mozilla lost so much talent not to attrition but to layoffs. Hopefully, they find newer sources of income and become financially strong again.

est31 6y ago
Yeah the "hello, I'm looking to hire Mozilla employees" on various places that I read about the layoffs (hn, reddit, twitter) is a telltale sign that Mozilla employees are highly wanted in the industry. Compare it to threads where recent grads (out of good institutions) complain that they can't find employment in CS. Nobody posts there.
- notyourwork 6y ago
  Comparing employees from reputable companies with recent grads that have at best internship experience seems a bit silly no? There are lots of companies I would take an employee from in a heartbeat. Taking a recent grad is a gamble in most cases.
  - est31 6y ago
    It's comparable in so far that both are on the job market right now. From what I read, recent grads seem to have an extremely bad experience because of Corona. It seems that the virus has enlarged the gap in how people just starting their careers are treated vs people from a place like Mozilla, instead of treating both equally worse.
    - xmprt 6y ago
      Why would you expect companies to take a risk on a new grad when they could instead hire someone who has already proven themselves at a different company? Especially during a pandemic where there's so much uncertainty. I'm not saying it's right but it makes sense.
      - Mirioron 6y ago
        Probably because they could hire about 2-4 recent grads for the price of someone that has proven themselves.
        not2b 6y ago
        And in the short term, the proven developer will be significantly more productive than the 2-4 recent grads and require much less work to manage.
        scarface74 6y ago
        How would a recent grad cope working fully remotely without any mentorship? I would much rather go with someone with more experience. That being said, I have to admit that I was very impressed with the work done by the two interns that were on my team (at $BigTech) who are leaving next week. But they had their own projects and weren’t on critical paths.
        fzzzy 6y ago
        We just had a fully remote intern because of corona. He was great. The manager who puts an intern on the critical path is a very bad manager.
        scarface74 6y ago
        We have no idea how they - or any fresh grads would do as full time employees. I think they would do okay. But they are treated with kid gloves compared to FTE’s.

est31 6y ago

Yeah the "hello, I'm looking to hire Mozilla employees" on various places that I read about the layoffs (hn, reddit, twitter) is a telltale sign that Mozilla employees are highly wanted in the industry. Compare it to threads where recent grads (out of good institutions) complain that they can't find employment in CS. Nobody posts there.

notyourwork 6y ago
Comparing employees from reputable companies with recent grads that have at best internship experience seems a bit silly no? There are lots of companies I would take an employee from in a heartbeat. Taking a recent grad is a gamble in most cases.
- est31 6y ago
  It's comparable in so far that both are on the job market right now. From what I read, recent grads seem to have an extremely bad experience because of Corona. It seems that the virus has enlarged the gap in how people just starting their careers are treated vs people from a place like Mozilla, instead of treating both equally worse.
  - xmprt 6y ago
    Why would you expect companies to take a risk on a new grad when they could instead hire someone who has already proven themselves at a different company? Especially during a pandemic where there's so much uncertainty. I'm not saying it's right but it makes sense.
    - Mirioron 6y ago
      Probably because they could hire about 2-4 recent grads for the price of someone that has proven themselves.
      - not2b 6y ago
        And in the short term, the proven developer will be significantly more productive than the 2-4 recent grads and require much less work to manage.
      - scarface74 6y ago
        How would a recent grad cope working fully remotely without any mentorship? I would much rather go with someone with more experience. That being said, I have to admit that I was very impressed with the work done by the two interns that were on my team (at $BigTech) who are leaving next week. But they had their own projects and weren’t on critical paths.
        fzzzy 6y ago
        We just had a fully remote intern because of corona. He was great. The manager who puts an intern on the critical path is a very bad manager.
        scarface74 6y ago
        We have no idea how they - or any fresh grads would do as full time employees. I think they would do okay. But they are treated with kid gloves compared to FTE’s.