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>There's reasonable evidence at this point that Covid infections do long-term damage, even to healthy people It is already a known fact that diseases with feve

>There's reasonable evidence at this point that Covid infections do long-term damage, even to healthy people It is already a known fact that diseases with fever and/or lung components leave a small percentage of people with long term damage. Covid is like the flu in this regard. From https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseas... >COVID-19: Lasting damage to the lungs, heart, kidneys, brain and other organs is possible after a severe case of COVID-19. >Flu: Influenza complications can include inflammation of the heart (myocarditis), brain (encephalitis) or muscles (myositis, rhabdomyolysis) tissues, and multi-organ failure. It seems that people are surprised that this happens, and/or think covid is different in degree. The numbers I have seen so far are quite small and unsuprising, for example less than 50 people with long-lasting fever damage in a country of 50+ million. Do you have any sources claiming covid is different in this regard than any other fever/lung disease?

ipnon 6y ago
Would you consider 60-78% to be a small percentage?[1] Do you have any evidence suggesting that the flu's rate of long-term cardiovascular consequences is similar? [1] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768916?guestAccessKey=698ebd4c-5c29-4069-9ef6-8839bcbc07de&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=072720 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/...
- mikem170 6y ago
  From http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.685.8394&rep=rep1&type=pdf http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.685... > During the Sheffield, England influenza epi-demic from 1972 to 1973, the cases of 50 consecutive patients who were initially diagnosed as mild cases and were treated on an outpatient basis were followed. Transient electrocardiogram (ECG) changes were seen in 18 patients, and long-lasting changes were seen in 5 patients. Like I said, covid is no different than the flu in this regard. The above linked paper is full of other case studies showing similar data, from 1918 to the 2000s. While reading up on your citation I found tons of literature out there talking about how common this is with other bacterial and viral infections. EDIT: I grant that the numbers for myocardial inflammation are not insignificant. I'm learning as I go. But I'll stand by my opinion that covid is not (historically) anything out of the ordinary, just another coronavirus that made the jump to people, like so many before, and lockdowns are not going to eradicate it.

ipnon 6y ago

Would you consider 60-78% to be a small percentage?[1] Do you have any evidence suggesting that the flu's rate of long-term cardiovascular consequences is similar? [1] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768916?guestAccessKey=698ebd4c-5c29-4069-9ef6-8839bcbc07de&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=072720 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/...

mikem170 6y ago
From http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.685.8394&rep=rep1&type=pdf http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.685... > During the Sheffield, England influenza epi-demic from 1972 to 1973, the cases of 50 consecutive patients who were initially diagnosed as mild cases and were treated on an outpatient basis were followed. Transient electrocardiogram (ECG) changes were seen in 18 patients, and long-lasting changes were seen in 5 patients. Like I said, covid is no different than the flu in this regard. The above linked paper is full of other case studies showing similar data, from 1918 to the 2000s. While reading up on your citation I found tons of literature out there talking about how common this is with other bacterial and viral infections. EDIT: I grant that the numbers for myocardial inflammation are not insignificant. I'm learning as I go. But I'll stand by my opinion that covid is not (historically) anything out of the ordinary, just another coronavirus that made the jump to people, like so many before, and lockdowns are not going to eradicate it.