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I really think you're making a decent contribution here, except for the part where you blame Marxists. Marxists hate these people.

prohobo 6y ago
I mean they incorporated a lot of Marxist theory, and it is essentially Neo-Marxism. I don't know how much these schools of thought differ, but I do hear about OG Marxists feeling that they're ruining it, or turning it into a mockery of the true philosophy.
istorical 6y ago
First - just to clarify I actually believe in many aspects of modern democratic socialism RE: Nordics, and I think 2020 anti-racism is well-intentioned and doing a lot of good work. That being said, you really have to download some actual coursework from critical race programs at modern universities and actually read through it. And then go on a wikipedia spree to understand the cultural evolution of them and where they came from. Modern economic Marxists may or may not like these ideas, but certainly the original leaders of critical race theory were Marxists, the same academic language and ideas used by Marxists are ubiquitous in critical race texts. It's in the DNA. It's not about blaming Marxism, casting some kind of cold war boogey-man, it's just...a strange or somewhat alien or foreign type of thought to many people in the year 2020 but it is a big part of the intellectual underpinnings of this branch of education/academia that is growing in cultural importance.
krnsll 6y ago
Seconded. Read Lasch (Revolt of the Elites) to make sense of what dyed-in-wool Marxists think of the Woke "ideology" (if we can even be charitable enough to use that word, for most of what they say lacks coherence). In fact, even the widely recognized coiner of the term "intersectionality," Dr. Kimberle Crenshaw, wouldn't explicitly subscribe to many of their positions.
elindbe2 6y ago
Marxists hating people is not evidence of anything. Very similar groups of people hate each other all the time. The catholics vs. protestants in the middle ages comes to mind.

prohobo 6y ago

I mean they incorporated a lot of Marxist theory, and it is essentially Neo-Marxism. I don't know how much these schools of thought differ, but I do hear about OG Marxists feeling that they're ruining it, or turning it into a mockery of the true philosophy.

istorical 6y ago

First - just to clarify I actually believe in many aspects of modern democratic socialism RE: Nordics, and I think 2020 anti-racism is well-intentioned and doing a lot of good work. That being said, you really have to download some actual coursework from critical race programs at modern universities and actually read through it. And then go on a wikipedia spree to understand the cultural evolution of them and where they came from. Modern economic Marxists may or may not like these ideas, but certainly the original leaders of critical race theory were Marxists, the same academic language and ideas used by Marxists are ubiquitous in critical race texts. It's in the DNA. It's not about blaming Marxism, casting some kind of cold war boogey-man, it's just...a strange or somewhat alien or foreign type of thought to many people in the year 2020 but it is a big part of the intellectual underpinnings of this branch of education/academia that is growing in cultural importance.

krnsll 6y ago

Seconded. Read Lasch (Revolt of the Elites) to make sense of what dyed-in-wool Marxists think of the Woke "ideology" (if we can even be charitable enough to use that word, for most of what they say lacks coherence). In fact, even the widely recognized coiner of the term "intersectionality," Dr. Kimberle Crenshaw, wouldn't explicitly subscribe to many of their positions.

elindbe2 6y ago

Marxists hating people is not evidence of anything. Very similar groups of people hate each other all the time. The catholics vs. protestants in the middle ages comes to mind.