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> moral values and policy preferences I really like the idea that things could be better. If you tell me that you've got a way to fish and all the other anima

by Verdex 6y ago

> moral values and policy preferences I really like the idea that things could be better. If you tell me that you've got a way to fish and all the other animals that you like end up safe, then I like the idea that we could be using way. However, this article isn't a plan it's a wish list. It wants you to feel bad about whats happening to some animals. It doesn't really talk about how they're going to achieve this. If the how ends up starving millions or billions of people, then I'm really sorry but I'm not going to side with the whales as much as I would like them to be okay. The article sounds like it's coming from someone with other options when it comes to eating. If they don't have a plan, then they're just hoping someone else will do all the work for them. If they really cared about the whales then they would find a way to provide for the people who eat the fish that power the industry that is hurting the whales.

toomuchtodo 6y ago
> If the how ends up starving millions or billions of people, then I'm really sorry but I'm not going to side with the whales as much as I would like them to be okay. If the world has too many people, and we're fishing beyond replenishment rate, those people are going to starve to death anyway. It's just a matter of when. Who should be sorry if there's evidence the world is beyond it's carrying capacity? > If they really cared about the whales then they would find a way to provide for the people who eat the fish that power the industry that is hurting the whales. It's not the job of non profits to figure out how to feed endless amounts of humans. This is no different than environmental constraints that force population declines in all other species. You can't continue to expand the human species unbounded and foist the problem on someone else when physical systems are pushed beyond their limits.
- alehul 6y ago
  > It's not the job of non profits to figure out how to feed endless amounts of humans It's the job of governments to not create regulations that starve them.
  - toomuchtodo 6y ago
    This is up for debate. I want my government to protect our fisheries from other countries (as well as our own fishing industry) strip mining them bare until there's nothing but sea floor remaining. They're not just fisheries for today, they're fisheries and ecological systems for the future, and if unreasonable demands are placed on them (for whatever reason) government is responsible to push back to protect those resources. If this causes food insecurity, the government of those impacted must make efforts to source food supplies elsewhere.

by Verdex 6y ago

toomuchtodo 6y ago

> If the how ends up starving millions or billions of people, then I'm really sorry but I'm not going to side with the whales as much as I would like them to be okay. If the world has too many people, and we're fishing beyond replenishment rate, those people are going to starve to death anyway. It's just a matter of when. Who should be sorry if there's evidence the world is beyond it's carrying capacity? > If they really cared about the whales then they would find a way to provide for the people who eat the fish that power the industry that is hurting the whales. It's not the job of non profits to figure out how to feed endless amounts of humans. This is no different than environmental constraints that force population declines in all other species. You can't continue to expand the human species unbounded and foist the problem on someone else when physical systems are pushed beyond their limits.

alehul 6y ago
> It's not the job of non profits to figure out how to feed endless amounts of humans It's the job of governments to not create regulations that starve them.
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  This is up for debate. I want my government to protect our fisheries from other countries (as well as our own fishing industry) strip mining them bare until there's nothing but sea floor remaining. They're not just fisheries for today, they're fisheries and ecological systems for the future, and if unreasonable demands are placed on them (for whatever reason) government is responsible to push back to protect those resources. If this causes food insecurity, the government of those impacted must make efforts to source food supplies elsewhere.