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I don't know how many times this is going to have to happen before people understand this: when you put something online, assume it is essentially public. Forev

by imgabe 6y ago

I don't know how many times this is going to have to happen before people understand this: when you put something online, assume it is essentially public. Forever. If you don't want it to be public forever, don't put it online.

gilrain 6y ago
This is victim blaming and only reinforces the status quo. The way things are isn't the way things have to be. We can change the rules if we work together. Or we can give up and blame the victims.
- searchableguy 6y ago
  We should hold both companies and people accountable for their actions. I treat privacy hygiene the same as body hygiene.
- aoowii 6y ago
  I think it's more pragmatic advice than anything, even if all these websites deleted your data properly there'd be snapshots and pictures and backups around forever.
- jccooper 6y ago
  You can have Instagram delete that photo when you change your mind, but how about the friend who saw it and saved it, or the already-illegal bot that crawled the site and archived it? "Changing the rules" can reduce data availability, probably well enough for most purposes, and that's good. But it's simply strictly true that once you publish something, you cannot assure it's unpublished. And everyone should know this and act that way.
- imgabe 6y ago
  Depending on other people to change their actions when you've been victimized ensures that you'll always remain a victim. You can't control what other people do. You can control what you do.
hansvm 6y ago
This seems like a reasonable enough perspective, especially for something like a photo. An average person still doesn't have a lot of power though in a world where the de facto standard is that goods and services are provided at a cost of all your data and usually some cash on top. Opting out of the camera mesh being built in SF is impossible without moving. ISPs monetize our browsing habits, and a typical individual has no recourse -- common suggestions like a VPN just kick the can of trust down the road, and logless VPNs are usually proven to actually track you. Even if you didn't use any Google services, the adwords network is on the bulk of websites, and even with an ad blocker is a typical user expected to know that being logged in to Facebook means opting in to being similarly spied on nearly anywhere you visit on the web? IMO it's reasonable to expect uploaded photos to live forever somewhere (even if GDPR obligates companies to do otherwise), but even learning how to opt out of the rest of what's collected where it's even possible would be a daunting task when undertaken from scratch that inevitably missed some key component and still resulted in being spied on and tracked. With that in mind, and given the scale of the problem, regulation preventing the most egregious of data-related offenses seems prudent.

by imgabe 6y ago

gilrain 6y ago

This is victim blaming and only reinforces the status quo. The way things are isn't the way things have to be. We can change the rules if we work together. Or we can give up and blame the victims.

searchableguy 6y ago
We should hold both companies and people accountable for their actions. I treat privacy hygiene the same as body hygiene.
aoowii 6y ago
I think it's more pragmatic advice than anything, even if all these websites deleted your data properly there'd be snapshots and pictures and backups around forever.
jccooper 6y ago
You can have Instagram delete that photo when you change your mind, but how about the friend who saw it and saved it, or the already-illegal bot that crawled the site and archived it? "Changing the rules" can reduce data availability, probably well enough for most purposes, and that's good. But it's simply strictly true that once you publish something, you cannot assure it's unpublished. And everyone should know this and act that way.
imgabe 6y ago
Depending on other people to change their actions when you've been victimized ensures that you'll always remain a victim. You can't control what other people do. You can control what you do.

hansvm 6y ago

This seems like a reasonable enough perspective, especially for something like a photo. An average person still doesn't have a lot of power though in a world where the de facto standard is that goods and services are provided at a cost of all your data and usually some cash on top. Opting out of the camera mesh being built in SF is impossible without moving. ISPs monetize our browsing habits, and a typical individual has no recourse -- common suggestions like a VPN just kick the can of trust down the road, and logless VPNs are usually proven to actually track you. Even if you didn't use any Google services, the adwords network is on the bulk of websites, and even with an ad blocker is a typical user expected to know that being logged in to Facebook means opting in to being similarly spied on nearly anywhere you visit on the web? IMO it's reasonable to expect uploaded photos to live forever somewhere (even if GDPR obligates companies to do otherwise), but even learning how to opt out of the rest of what's collected where it's even possible would be a daunting task when undertaken from scratch that inevitably missed some key component and still resulted in being spied on and tracked. With that in mind, and given the scale of the problem, regulation preventing the most egregious of data-related offenses seems prudent.