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> There should be no expectation that Instagram ever deletes anything permanently from their servers. No, there should be this expectation. If I have a photo o

> There should be no expectation that Instagram ever deletes anything permanently from their servers. No, there should be this expectation. If I have a photo of myself that I'm not comfortable being saved somewhere, there should be an expectation that when I delete this from a service, that service will actually delete it. The expectation should be that the service will do what it said, not that it hid everything very well.

llarsson 6y ago
The GDPR and its right to be forgotten agrees with you. This is grounds for sending a strong message to Instagram for not doing what they are legally bound to doing.
dboreham 6y ago
Unfortunately this isn't how computer storahe works. This is why the military have acid baths for their disk drives.
- have_faith 6y ago
  In this particular case they are actively not attempting to delete the image at all, a big difference.
- aoowii 6y ago
  Untrue, even on flash-based storage full deletion is possible. Here's an answer I pulled from reddit: If you are appropriately using TRIM the data will be obliterated when 'garbage collection' occurs -- forensics will not be able to recover deleted data. This is going to be largely dependent on your OS and Hardware, but if you confirm TRIM is working correctly in your setup, shortly after you permanently delete something (not recycle bin or trash) it will be gone for good. The answer is that simple. Supporting data: http://forensic.belkasoft.com/en/why-ssd-destroy-court-evidence http://forensic.belkasoft.com/en/why-ssd-destroy-court-evide... http://digitalforensicsmagazine.com/blogs/?p=271 http://digitalforensicsmagazine.com/blogs/?p=271 http://www.mcgoverngreene.com/advoedges/AE_pdfs/2011_pdfs/AE_nov-dec11.pdf http://www.mcgoverngreene.com/advoedges/AE_pdfs/2011_pdfs/AE... http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Solid_State_Drive_(SSD)_Forensics http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Solid_State_Drive_(SSD)_Fo... There's also this as a less reliable added measure: http://cmrr.ucsd.edu/people/Hughes/SecureErase.shtml http://cmrr.ucsd.edu/people/Hughes/SecureErase.shtml The main takeaway is that people vastly exaggerate how recoverable disks are, making any effort at all will stop 99.9% of hackers trying to recover data.
rco8786 6y ago
Maybe we'll get to that place someday, but that is a far cry from reality both in industry norms and regulations in place (and frankly, even regulations being discussed at this point)

llarsson 6y ago

The GDPR and its right to be forgotten agrees with you. This is grounds for sending a strong message to Instagram for not doing what they are legally bound to doing.

dboreham 6y ago

Unfortunately this isn't how computer storahe works. This is why the military have acid baths for their disk drives.

have_faith 6y ago
In this particular case they are actively not attempting to delete the image at all, a big difference.
aoowii 6y ago
Untrue, even on flash-based storage full deletion is possible. Here's an answer I pulled from reddit: If you are appropriately using TRIM the data will be obliterated when 'garbage collection' occurs -- forensics will not be able to recover deleted data. This is going to be largely dependent on your OS and Hardware, but if you confirm TRIM is working correctly in your setup, shortly after you permanently delete something (not recycle bin or trash) it will be gone for good. The answer is that simple. Supporting data: http://forensic.belkasoft.com/en/why-ssd-destroy-court-evidence http://forensic.belkasoft.com/en/why-ssd-destroy-court-evide... http://digitalforensicsmagazine.com/blogs/?p=271 http://digitalforensicsmagazine.com/blogs/?p=271 http://www.mcgoverngreene.com/advoedges/AE_pdfs/2011_pdfs/AE_nov-dec11.pdf http://www.mcgoverngreene.com/advoedges/AE_pdfs/2011_pdfs/AE... http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Solid_State_Drive_(SSD)_Forensics http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Solid_State_Drive_(SSD)_Fo... There's also this as a less reliable added measure: http://cmrr.ucsd.edu/people/Hughes/SecureErase.shtml http://cmrr.ucsd.edu/people/Hughes/SecureErase.shtml The main takeaway is that people vastly exaggerate how recoverable disks are, making any effort at all will stop 99.9% of hackers trying to recover data.

rco8786 6y ago

Maybe we'll get to that place someday, but that is a far cry from reality both in industry norms and regulations in place (and frankly, even regulations being discussed at this point)