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Where is here in your context?
by TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
Where is here in your context?
- Hamuko 6y agoFinland.
- narag 6y agoSome friends inscribed their child forty years ago, a month before the birth. It seems there was some kind of tax benefits that expired with the new year. They used the name Andrea. In Spain it's a female name, but they planned to argue that it's male in Italy and that they marked the wrong cell for the sex. In the end it was a girl, so no hassle, except her birthday is fake.
- unsupported 6y agoFun fact: Andrea comes from the Greek word andrós, which means man/male. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea#Origin_of_the_name https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea#Origin_of_the_name
- chrisseaton 6y agoWhat is their explanation for why they do this?
- Hamuko 6y agoI imagine it's to protect children from the Elon Musks of the world. There's a handful of rules that concern first names in Finland that allow to reject names that are bit "out there" so to speak. For example, there's such rejected first names as "Marihuana", "Avicii", "Kapteeni" (Captain), "Salaisuus" (Secret), "Noppa" (Dice), "Hoito Virhe" ("Medicial Malpractice" as first and last name) and "Sukka" (Sock). Guess the idea that giving a boy a girl's name can have a similar effect for the child as naming them "Sock".
- runarb 6y ago> I imagine it's to protect children from the Elon Musks of the world. Hade to look that up. He apparently named his son "X Æ A-12": https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52557291 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52557291 . Will probably create some issues with future IT-systems. I know a "Jo Å" and he have trouble registering for services from time to time.
- Hamuko 6y agoIt's actually "X AE A-XII" now since "X Æ A-12" was against California law.
- buzer 6y agoI don't think neutral names are illegal, they are just rare. Names like Kaino, Rauni and Muisto have couple of registrations per year with quite equal distribution between genders (https://verkkopalvelu.vrk.fi/nimipalvelu/ https://verkkopalvelu.vrk.fi/nimipalvelu/).
- Hamuko 6y agoNimilaki defines that a first name can only be accepted if it's "become a standard for the same gender". https://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/2017/20170946 https://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/2017/20170946
- buzer 6y agoI think that means that you wouldn't be able to give such a name in cases where it has become a standard for the other gender, meaning it would be tricky to add new neutral names. It's also quite new additition so I don't think there are any cases that have went to administrative court yet. According to https://www.kotus.fi/kielitieto/nimisto/henkilonnimet/etu-_ja_sukunimilaki_lyhyesti https://www.kotus.fi/kielitieto/nimisto/henkilonnimet/etu-_j... the standard for same gender is 5 people that are alive, i.e. once 5 men and 5 women have that name, it could be given to either gender. Not sure what would happen if there was a huge imbalance though (like 1000 women with the name & 10 men). At least Rauni and Kaino have been granted to both genders after the law came in effect.