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Silicon Valley is a really nice club with zero consequences for those that have been screwing up the internet and online privacy for decades. Therefore I don't

by blub 6y ago

Silicon Valley is a really nice club with zero consequences for those that have been screwing up the internet and online privacy for decades. Therefore I don't think it's appropriate to now complain that somebody's calling these people a disgrace to their field. Recently we learned on HN of the revolving door between Mozilla and Facebook, straight from the mouths of former Mozilla/current Facebook employees. They were even proud of helping the people that were recently let go by Mozilla with jobs at Facebook, as if it were totally normal to switch from privacy and open web defender to privacy and open web villain. I mean it is totally normal apparently. And really, I think that the moment of shame those people will feel at being called a disgrace, if they're even capable of feeling that any more will go away latest at the time that their fat paycheck hits their bank accounts. To be fair, they probably don't even read HN, Drew's blog or give a crap about any of this.

colesantiago 6y ago
Sure Silicon Valley bad, but it's pointless to shame them if they don't care, especially if their employer is bankrolling them. I mean, Google bankrolled Mozilla for years, nobody questioned or even opposed it, yet Mozilla criticises them on privacy, and now look what happened. But what do we do? I would like to take action against this, but this post doesn't really do anything about this. I fear that we will see more posts like this screaming into the blog post void and nothing comes of it, since you said they don't even read HN or Drew's blog.
- oliwarner 6y ago
  > especially if their employer is bankrolling them That's the problem! These are developers who don't care about the ecosystem. Drew is entirely right, they should be ashamed of what they've done, and use any and all influence to end this experiment.
type0 6y ago
Speaking of Web Browsers, I won't be surprised if FB introduces their own browser, this could potentially be so much more dystopian than Chrome it's scary that's a possibility. Chrome is already de facto mandated by some government agencies across the globe by virtue of that their authentication doesn't work in other browsers (not even Chromium in some cases).
- AndrewThrowaway 6y ago
  In a way they already have: https://www.stateofdigital.com/facebook-browser-biggest-browser-ignore/ https://www.stateofdigital.com/facebook-browser-biggest-brow...
Frondo 6y ago
This kind of revolving door depresses me, and makes me wish that software development had a code of ethics that people would have to swear to uphold. Going to work for the open web villain is about as bad as the doctors who did the leg work to fuel the opioid epidemic, in terms of harm to society.
- rolph 6y ago
  if you want to call yourself an engineer; or others to call you an engineer then: >>I am an Engineer. In my profession, I take deep pride. To it, I owe solemn obligations. As an engineer, I pledge to practice integrity and fair dealing, tolerance and respect, and to uphold devotion to the standards and dignity of my profession. I will always be conscious that my skill carries with it the obligation to serve humanity by making the best use of the Earth's precious wealth. As an engineer, I shall participate in none but honest enterprises. When needed, my skill and knowledge shall be given, without reservation, for the public good. In the performance of duty, and in fidelity to my profession, I shall give my utmost. << https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Engineer#Oath https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Engineer#Oath So.. who here is a software engineer; a digital electronic engineer; datasystems engineer etc. Can you live up to the obligation?

by blub 6y ago

colesantiago 6y ago

Sure Silicon Valley bad, but it's pointless to shame them if they don't care, especially if their employer is bankrolling them. I mean, Google bankrolled Mozilla for years, nobody questioned or even opposed it, yet Mozilla criticises them on privacy, and now look what happened. But what do we do? I would like to take action against this, but this post doesn't really do anything about this. I fear that we will see more posts like this screaming into the blog post void and nothing comes of it, since you said they don't even read HN or Drew's blog.

oliwarner 6y ago
> especially if their employer is bankrolling them That's the problem! These are developers who don't care about the ecosystem. Drew is entirely right, they should be ashamed of what they've done, and use any and all influence to end this experiment.

type0 6y ago

Speaking of Web Browsers, I won't be surprised if FB introduces their own browser, this could potentially be so much more dystopian than Chrome it's scary that's a possibility. Chrome is already de facto mandated by some government agencies across the globe by virtue of that their authentication doesn't work in other browsers (not even Chromium in some cases).

AndrewThrowaway 6y ago
In a way they already have: https://www.stateofdigital.com/facebook-browser-biggest-browser-ignore/ https://www.stateofdigital.com/facebook-browser-biggest-brow...

Frondo 6y ago

This kind of revolving door depresses me, and makes me wish that software development had a code of ethics that people would have to swear to uphold. Going to work for the open web villain is about as bad as the doctors who did the leg work to fuel the opioid epidemic, in terms of harm to society.

rolph 6y ago
if you want to call yourself an engineer; or others to call you an engineer then: >>I am an Engineer. In my profession, I take deep pride. To it, I owe solemn obligations. As an engineer, I pledge to practice integrity and fair dealing, tolerance and respect, and to uphold devotion to the standards and dignity of my profession. I will always be conscious that my skill carries with it the obligation to serve humanity by making the best use of the Earth's precious wealth. As an engineer, I shall participate in none but honest enterprises. When needed, my skill and knowledge shall be given, without reservation, for the public good. In the performance of duty, and in fidelity to my profession, I shall give my utmost. << https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Engineer#Oath https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Engineer#Oath So.. who here is a software engineer; a digital electronic engineer; datasystems engineer etc. Can you live up to the obligation?