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This land was Jordenian and Jordan doesn't want it. Jordan had it for 29 years and did not establish a Palestinian state. So the legal status lie needs to end.
by guykdm 6y ago
This land was Jordenian and Jordan doesn't want it. Jordan had it for 29 years and did not establish a Palestinian state. So the legal status lie needs to end. Because I like liberal democracies better than Arab trible dictatorships, I hope Israel would take as many Palestinians as possible. Without turning itself into one.
- Udik 6y agoAnd what do you plan to do with the excess Palestinians? We're talking a few million people.
- guykdm 6y agoNothing really. We can go on creating a great country for the Israeli Arabs, Jews, Druze and Christians. This conflict is slowly ending.
- Udik 6y ago> I hope Israel would take as many Palestinians as possible. Without turning itself into one. > We can go on creating a great country for the Israeli Arabs, Jews, Druze and Christians So you're arguing for the one-state solution. You do realize that that means the end of the nature of Israel as a "Jewish state" (definition that was just sanctioned in the law), and that a democracy in which half of the citizens are Palestinians is going to fundamentally change the nature of the country?
- guykdm 6y agoThe Palestinians (which do not act as a nation and never did, their loyalty is to their tribe) have autonomy, and they should be given as much autonomy as possible (without bad security implications).
- Udik 6y ago> The Palestinians ... have autonomy Wait, are you saying that they would not vote for Israel's government?
- guykdm 6y agoNo, democracies don't work well when different groups in the country hate each other. Palestinians have their own autonomy, where they would manage it by their own standards.
- Udik 6y ago> Palestinians have their own autonomy, where they would manage it by their own standards And how would this "autonomy" be different from full sovereignty? And in case it were different, to which superior body would this autonomy be subjected? And who would have democratic control of this superior body? Because if the answers are respectively 'different', 'Israel' and '(current) Israeli citizens', then what you're talking about is proper, institutionalized apartheid.
- guykdm 6y agoThey already have autonomy. They might would like it to be better armed, and they are free to accept the deal of the century proposal, but they won't get more.
- Udik 6y agoThis doesn't answer my questions.
- guykdm 6y agoI don't know how you define sovereignty, as distinct from autonomy. The guideline for me (and I believe this is also the way the conflict will end in real life) is the most autonomy possible, without any security risks to Israel. It's not far from the situation now.