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> How can you like him? Consider that all major US media outlets are driven by ad-spend, which is in term driven by views. Views are driven by outrage. Trump i

> How can you like him? Consider that all major US media outlets are driven by ad-spend, which is in term driven by views. Views are driven by outrage. Trump is a great target for outrage. The media love to hate him. He loves to let them hate him. If you turn off the news, the country is in general humming along just fine. Stock market is doing great. No new wars. Finally doing something to address major trade imbalances with China. If you listen to the news, everyone and their mother is dying in the streets of coronavirus. In reality, roughly 1-3% of the population has even caught the virus. Deaths are way down from March/April. For a country and a president that are supposedly incompetent to the point of collapse, things are going pretty damn great.

lovehashbrowns 6y ago
COVID deaths are trending up, with 1,499 deaths reported for August 12. We're at 166,023 deaths total. Schools forced to open. Terrible quarterly GDP. COVID relief going to Trump's friends. A looming housing market collapse with evictions on the way. Massive unemployment. Probably a second quarantine in the fall due to the awful way that the response has been handled by the federal government. USPS fiasco by trump and his buddy having a conflict of interest with being a post master for the USPS and his investments + ties to XPO. trump's tweet that suggests postponing the election. trump and co's promotion of goya. trump's "It is what it is" response to 160,000 American deaths from COVID. trump's attacks on protesters and response with federal agents in Portland. I can literally go on and on. This is just what I had the effort to type out. How are these things pretty damn great? Just one or two of these should have a massive negative impact on any politician.
RealityVoid 6y ago
> For a country and a president that are supposedly incompetent to the point of collapse, things are going pretty damn great. Even _assuming_ everything is great, would it _really_ be his merit? I mean, everything that man did has been counter-productive for your country. He is a bumbling idiot. He really is. What merit does he have? I just can not see it. The fact that "well, we're not all dead yet" is hardly a criteria for success. And no, my bad opinion of him is not because "the media" - my bad opinion stems from reading his book "The art of the deal" about a decade ago (that was highly recommended by friends - they said it's great!) - and in there he came off, to me, as a corrupt scumbag. All his behavior since only reinforced this. It looks to me like the slow motion fall of an empire. And empires fall all the time, think about Great Britain, a bit over a hundred years ago they were the "the empire on which the sun never sets" - wonder if in another century people will look the same at the US.
- war1025 6y ago
  You didn't ask why you would like him. You asked why I would like him. Obviously we disagree. What's it really matter?
  - RealityVoid 6y ago
    Still, you did not say why you did like him. You just said "it's not that bad". Hardly the same thing. Will admit, you said that you feel that the trade balances with China are being addressed, and, well, that's _something_.
    - war1025 6y ago
      And the stock market is doing great. And we haven't gotten into any new wars. And we have significantly scaled back our existing wars in the Middle East. And, whether its to his credit or not, health insurance prices have stopped spiking 10-20% per year. And he's nominated two conservative justices to the Supreme Court. And he moved the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. And he just brokered a peace deal between Israel and the UAE And tensions with North Korea have been de-escalated, even if that effort didn't go very far. And he addressed funding imbalances in the UN And my taxes went way down And he's not a Democrat, so the media is actually critical of him, instead of fawning over how dreamy he is at every turn. Immigration isn't a big issue for me, but I prefer his stance over open borders. So I guess there's a random list that you may also tell me isn't actually a list.
- mike503 6y ago
  Because the bar has been set so low at this point, "we're not all dead yet" (except for the over 160k people who have died so far from COVID) is actually a talking point I think
conqueso 6y ago
> If you turn off the news, the country is in general humming along just fine. Stock market is doing great. No new wars. Finally doing something to address major trade imbalances with China. The country is doing 'just fine' if you are a person who has expendable income to invest and job security (and health insurance) because you have the ability to work remotely. The unemployment rate is very high, and most of those laid off are not knowledge workers - which is correlated with lower pay. Those who can least afford it are losing the most jobs. The wealth gap, already at an all time high, is undoubtedly going to increase significantly. Obviously the country is not at the point of collapse, but do you not think the problems I just listed are cause for serious concern?

lovehashbrowns 6y ago

COVID deaths are trending up, with 1,499 deaths reported for August 12. We're at 166,023 deaths total. Schools forced to open. Terrible quarterly GDP. COVID relief going to Trump's friends. A looming housing market collapse with evictions on the way. Massive unemployment. Probably a second quarantine in the fall due to the awful way that the response has been handled by the federal government. USPS fiasco by trump and his buddy having a conflict of interest with being a post master for the USPS and his investments + ties to XPO. trump's tweet that suggests postponing the election. trump and co's promotion of goya. trump's "It is what it is" response to 160,000 American deaths from COVID. trump's attacks on protesters and response with federal agents in Portland. I can literally go on and on. This is just what I had the effort to type out. How are these things pretty damn great? Just one or two of these should have a massive negative impact on any politician.

RealityVoid 6y ago

> For a country and a president that are supposedly incompetent to the point of collapse, things are going pretty damn great. Even _assuming_ everything is great, would it _really_ be his merit? I mean, everything that man did has been counter-productive for your country. He is a bumbling idiot. He really is. What merit does he have? I just can not see it. The fact that "well, we're not all dead yet" is hardly a criteria for success. And no, my bad opinion of him is not because "the media" - my bad opinion stems from reading his book "The art of the deal" about a decade ago (that was highly recommended by friends - they said it's great!) - and in there he came off, to me, as a corrupt scumbag. All his behavior since only reinforced this. It looks to me like the slow motion fall of an empire. And empires fall all the time, think about Great Britain, a bit over a hundred years ago they were the "the empire on which the sun never sets" - wonder if in another century people will look the same at the US.

war1025 6y ago
You didn't ask why you would like him. You asked why I would like him. Obviously we disagree. What's it really matter?
- RealityVoid 6y ago
  Still, you did not say why you did like him. You just said "it's not that bad". Hardly the same thing. Will admit, you said that you feel that the trade balances with China are being addressed, and, well, that's _something_.
  - war1025 6y ago
    And the stock market is doing great. And we haven't gotten into any new wars. And we have significantly scaled back our existing wars in the Middle East. And, whether its to his credit or not, health insurance prices have stopped spiking 10-20% per year. And he's nominated two conservative justices to the Supreme Court. And he moved the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. And he just brokered a peace deal between Israel and the UAE And tensions with North Korea have been de-escalated, even if that effort didn't go very far. And he addressed funding imbalances in the UN And my taxes went way down And he's not a Democrat, so the media is actually critical of him, instead of fawning over how dreamy he is at every turn. Immigration isn't a big issue for me, but I prefer his stance over open borders. So I guess there's a random list that you may also tell me isn't actually a list.
mike503 6y ago
Because the bar has been set so low at this point, "we're not all dead yet" (except for the over 160k people who have died so far from COVID) is actually a talking point I think

conqueso 6y ago

> If you turn off the news, the country is in general humming along just fine. Stock market is doing great. No new wars. Finally doing something to address major trade imbalances with China. The country is doing 'just fine' if you are a person who has expendable income to invest and job security (and health insurance) because you have the ability to work remotely. The unemployment rate is very high, and most of those laid off are not knowledge workers - which is correlated with lower pay. Those who can least afford it are losing the most jobs. The wealth gap, already at an all time high, is undoubtedly going to increase significantly. Obviously the country is not at the point of collapse, but do you not think the problems I just listed are cause for serious concern?