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Lockdown cause massive unemployment, bankruptcy, mental health issue, kids not getting proper education, delayed treatment/care for non-covid cause, etc. All th

by matz1 6y ago

Lockdown cause massive unemployment, bankruptcy, mental health issue, kids not getting proper education, delayed treatment/care for non-covid cause, etc. All this for what ? for the virus that for vast majority of people if you do get infected you are not going to be sick (asymptompatic) or only have mild symptom and less than 1% death rate ?

jacquesm 6y ago
There is precisely zero evidence that a lockdown leads to even a measurable fraction of 1% deaths.
- ketamine__ 6y ago
  There is zero evidence that a suppression strategy with lockdown will work. And as you said in your other comment the pandemic is not over yet so pulling data from other countries isn't helpful. As to evidence... "One in four young adults between the ages of 18 and 24 say they've considered suicide in the past month because of the pandemic, according to new CDC data that paints a bleak picture of the nation's mental health during the crisis." https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/13/cdc-mental-health-pandemic-394832 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/13/cdc-mental-health-p... Perhaps it is time for parents to talk to their children about what they would like for a future? Most of the comments here are about the desires of the parents to be anxiety free.
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    Why is everybody going on about 'the lockdown'. There is exactly one city in the world that had a complete lockdown, that's Wuhan, China. Every other place had at best a partial lockdown with a ton of exemptions and a large amount of leeway for emergencies and other edge cases. As for the suicide factor, yes, there is a chance of increased numbers of suicides, no for now there is no proof that such an increase is actually happening. If previous pandemics - without a lockdown - are any guide then a pandemic has regardless of the measures taken an increased risk of people committing suicide.
    - matz1 6y ago
      Every country called it differently. Partial lockdown is still lockdown
      - jacquesm 6y ago
        Ok, we'll call it temporary restraint of free movement. Happy now? Besides that a proportional and timely initial response would have been the very best way of avoiding all that.
        ketamine__ 6y ago
        New Zealand had what you might call a timely response. If you test positive now your entire family will be moved to an isolation facility. It is not optional and if you refuse to do so you will be arrested. > Bloomfield announced all of those who tested positive, as well as close family members who could be at risk, would now be put into self-isolation facilities. > Bloomfield said they'd given moving confirmed cases into quarantine facilities "a lot of thought". It would help prevent spread between family members and limit the spread in the community from people coming to visit. > It would "really strengthen our response", he said. [0] Are you concerned with how lockdown effects children now? [0] https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/13-new-community-cases-all-be-quarantined https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/13-new-community-cases-a...
        jacquesm 6y ago
        Of course I'm concerned. But if you think that you'll be able to manage this without some inconvenience then that is a pretty strong delusion. Think about the alternative: no quarantine, unchecked spread, lots of people dead. If there is one country that is doing this by the book it is NZ, and they should be commended for it. That you try to spin that as a negative is quite a feat. I've been quarantined myself for two weeks, it wasn't as bad as it could have been and we managed. If I had to go through it again then I would, especially now that I know better how to prepare.
eirini1 6y ago
>Lockdown cause massive unemployment, bankruptcy, mental health issue, kids not getting proper education, delayed treatment/care for non-covid cause, etc. a lockdown doesn't inherently cause this. These things are caused by a badly implemented lockdown, a lockdown that doesn't have measures in place to make sure people don't go bankrupt, measures to make sure people's mental health doesn't deteriorate etc.
- matz1 6y ago
  Sure, I will totally support such implementation that neither restrict people movement nor have occupancy restriction, at least for this specific virus. If let say covid has severity of anthrax or ebola then restricting people movement maybe justifiable but not otherwise.

by matz1 6y ago

jacquesm 6y ago

There is precisely zero evidence that a lockdown leads to even a measurable fraction of 1% deaths.

ketamine__ 6y ago
There is zero evidence that a suppression strategy with lockdown will work. And as you said in your other comment the pandemic is not over yet so pulling data from other countries isn't helpful. As to evidence... "One in four young adults between the ages of 18 and 24 say they've considered suicide in the past month because of the pandemic, according to new CDC data that paints a bleak picture of the nation's mental health during the crisis." https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/13/cdc-mental-health-pandemic-394832 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/13/cdc-mental-health-p... Perhaps it is time for parents to talk to their children about what they would like for a future? Most of the comments here are about the desires of the parents to be anxiety free.
- jacquesm 6y ago
  Why is everybody going on about 'the lockdown'. There is exactly one city in the world that had a complete lockdown, that's Wuhan, China. Every other place had at best a partial lockdown with a ton of exemptions and a large amount of leeway for emergencies and other edge cases. As for the suicide factor, yes, there is a chance of increased numbers of suicides, no for now there is no proof that such an increase is actually happening. If previous pandemics - without a lockdown - are any guide then a pandemic has regardless of the measures taken an increased risk of people committing suicide.
  - matz1 6y ago
    Every country called it differently. Partial lockdown is still lockdown
    - jacquesm 6y ago
      Ok, we'll call it temporary restraint of free movement. Happy now? Besides that a proportional and timely initial response would have been the very best way of avoiding all that.
      - ketamine__ 6y ago
        New Zealand had what you might call a timely response. If you test positive now your entire family will be moved to an isolation facility. It is not optional and if you refuse to do so you will be arrested. > Bloomfield announced all of those who tested positive, as well as close family members who could be at risk, would now be put into self-isolation facilities. > Bloomfield said they'd given moving confirmed cases into quarantine facilities "a lot of thought". It would help prevent spread between family members and limit the spread in the community from people coming to visit. > It would "really strengthen our response", he said. [0] Are you concerned with how lockdown effects children now? [0] https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/13-new-community-cases-all-be-quarantined https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/13-new-community-cases-a...
        jacquesm 6y ago
        Of course I'm concerned. But if you think that you'll be able to manage this without some inconvenience then that is a pretty strong delusion. Think about the alternative: no quarantine, unchecked spread, lots of people dead. If there is one country that is doing this by the book it is NZ, and they should be commended for it. That you try to spin that as a negative is quite a feat. I've been quarantined myself for two weeks, it wasn't as bad as it could have been and we managed. If I had to go through it again then I would, especially now that I know better how to prepare.

eirini1 6y ago

>Lockdown cause massive unemployment, bankruptcy, mental health issue, kids not getting proper education, delayed treatment/care for non-covid cause, etc. a lockdown doesn't inherently cause this. These things are caused by a badly implemented lockdown, a lockdown that doesn't have measures in place to make sure people don't go bankrupt, measures to make sure people's mental health doesn't deteriorate etc.

matz1 6y ago
Sure, I will totally support such implementation that neither restrict people movement nor have occupancy restriction, at least for this specific virus. If let say covid has severity of anthrax or ebola then restricting people movement maybe justifiable but not otherwise.