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I hope it does. Monopolies lead to stagnation, rising prices, and inferior product quality. Even though Apple is not a monopoly in the strict sense, I think w

I hope it does. Monopolies lead to stagnation, rising prices, and inferior product quality. Even though Apple is not a monopoly in the strict sense, I think we consumers will benefit from alternative app store - or Apple opening up the platform. I believe one can still have (moderately) secure ecosystem without it being a walled garden.

Zenbit_UX 6y ago
If you have an iPhone the Appstore is unquestionably a monopoly. At least Google can make the case you can install other app stores so the monopoly claim is weaker.
- qeternity 6y ago
  The mere mention of Google, a perfectly suitable competitor, leads me to believe you don’t understand what a monopoly is...
  - spanhandler 6y ago
    Hell, from my perspective the app store is part of the competition. I buy i-devices over Android for a few reasons but high on the list is the set of restrictions Apple places on developers, including their payment restrictions. Those aren't harming me, they're giving me one OS where ~ none of my mind ever has to be dedicated to considering a bunch of stuff that it does on other platforms. One platform safe for less-computer-savvy relatives, that also still lets them do basically anything they might want to do and operate independently. That is choice, the fact that I can choose that.
  - slaymaker1907 6y ago
    Google doesn’t make any iOS phones though. You can make it look like there are never monopolies if you choose to only look at certain markets while ignoring others.
    - qeternity 6y ago
      You’re doing just that: you’re making everything look like a monopoly by focusing on a single product. Yes, Apple has a “monopoly” on iPhones the same way that Nike has a monopoly on Air Jordans. It’s not a monopoly.
  - realusername 6y ago
    > The mere mention of Google, a perfectly suitable competitor, A perfectly suitable competitor ... which has exactly the same fees, similar policies and do not seem to have any pressure due to the competition to change them, yeah something does not sound right here. Alternatively I could compare the number of companies I could use to host my web app (100k+) to the number of companies I could use to host my mobile app (just 2). The lack of competition when you compare that to an healthy market is obvious.
    - qeternity 6y ago
      Many industries converge on similar pricing, and that doesn’t make it anti competitive. It may be anti competitive here, but that also may just be the natural price the market is willing to bear.
  - cjsawyer 6y ago
    Smartphones are not stand alone widgets. They are portals into vast troves of software made by legions of developers. Right now, at least for Apple, their app store is the lone chokepoint between this software and the world. Them taking 30% of every sale between the developers and their users deserves scrutiny. This percentage is not based on the market because there is no market. There is one option. There lies the monopoly.
    - cjsawyer 6y ago
      To spell this out further: There is competition in the smartphone market... but the app store has an artificial monopoly on iOS software distribution which is a separate market serving more than 100 million people.
      - qeternity 6y ago
        Every manufacturer has a “monopoly” in their own product. This does not constitute a monopoly no matter how badly you want it to.
- wheelie_boy 6y ago
  It's a little weird to say that the app store has a monopoly on distributing apps on iPhones. Does Apple also have a monopoly on writing the OS that runs on iPhones? Do they also have a monopoly on creating the iPhone hardware? And choosing what they write in press releases?
  - growse 6y ago
    > Does Apple also have a monopoly on writing the OS that runs on iPhones? Yes, of course. But I think the issue might be the extent to which this is an artificial monopoly, rather than a natural one.
    - m4rtink 6y ago
      It should be perfectly possible to run custom OS on all Apple hardware if it was not for the artificial limitations they added.
    - wheelie_boy 6y ago
      I doubt other companies would want to create their own device drivers
- cruano 6y ago
  If you want a Ford then the Ford Motor Company is unquestionably a monopoly
acomjean 6y ago
Its very deceptive. All those kids who have had their game shut off aren't going to be happy, but they're learning a valuable lesson. Fortnite isn't just a game anymore, its where a lot of kids are hanging out. concerts, movies and other things are happening there.
- firloop 6y ago
  Nobody has really “had their game shut off”. People who have Fortnite installed already are still able to play it indefinitely. Apple could have done this by revoking Epic’s developer certificate, but that hasn’t yet happened.
  - Karunamon 6y ago
    That will go away the moment a server-side update requires a client update, and the update won't be accessible.

Zenbit_UX 6y ago

If you have an iPhone the Appstore is unquestionably a monopoly. At least Google can make the case you can install other app stores so the monopoly claim is weaker.

qeternity 6y ago
The mere mention of Google, a perfectly suitable competitor, leads me to believe you don’t understand what a monopoly is...
- spanhandler 6y ago
  Hell, from my perspective the app store is part of the competition. I buy i-devices over Android for a few reasons but high on the list is the set of restrictions Apple places on developers, including their payment restrictions. Those aren't harming me, they're giving me one OS where ~ none of my mind ever has to be dedicated to considering a bunch of stuff that it does on other platforms. One platform safe for less-computer-savvy relatives, that also still lets them do basically anything they might want to do and operate independently. That is choice, the fact that I can choose that.
- slaymaker1907 6y ago
  Google doesn’t make any iOS phones though. You can make it look like there are never monopolies if you choose to only look at certain markets while ignoring others.
  - qeternity 6y ago
    You’re doing just that: you’re making everything look like a monopoly by focusing on a single product. Yes, Apple has a “monopoly” on iPhones the same way that Nike has a monopoly on Air Jordans. It’s not a monopoly.
- realusername 6y ago
  > The mere mention of Google, a perfectly suitable competitor, A perfectly suitable competitor ... which has exactly the same fees, similar policies and do not seem to have any pressure due to the competition to change them, yeah something does not sound right here. Alternatively I could compare the number of companies I could use to host my web app (100k+) to the number of companies I could use to host my mobile app (just 2). The lack of competition when you compare that to an healthy market is obvious.
  - qeternity 6y ago
    Many industries converge on similar pricing, and that doesn’t make it anti competitive. It may be anti competitive here, but that also may just be the natural price the market is willing to bear.
- cjsawyer 6y ago
  Smartphones are not stand alone widgets. They are portals into vast troves of software made by legions of developers. Right now, at least for Apple, their app store is the lone chokepoint between this software and the world. Them taking 30% of every sale between the developers and their users deserves scrutiny. This percentage is not based on the market because there is no market. There is one option. There lies the monopoly.
  - cjsawyer 6y ago
    To spell this out further: There is competition in the smartphone market... but the app store has an artificial monopoly on iOS software distribution which is a separate market serving more than 100 million people.
    - qeternity 6y ago
      Every manufacturer has a “monopoly” in their own product. This does not constitute a monopoly no matter how badly you want it to.
wheelie_boy 6y ago
It's a little weird to say that the app store has a monopoly on distributing apps on iPhones. Does Apple also have a monopoly on writing the OS that runs on iPhones? Do they also have a monopoly on creating the iPhone hardware? And choosing what they write in press releases?
- growse 6y ago
  > Does Apple also have a monopoly on writing the OS that runs on iPhones? Yes, of course. But I think the issue might be the extent to which this is an artificial monopoly, rather than a natural one.
  - m4rtink 6y ago
    It should be perfectly possible to run custom OS on all Apple hardware if it was not for the artificial limitations they added.
  - wheelie_boy 6y ago
    I doubt other companies would want to create their own device drivers
cruano 6y ago
If you want a Ford then the Ford Motor Company is unquestionably a monopoly

acomjean 6y ago

Its very deceptive. All those kids who have had their game shut off aren't going to be happy, but they're learning a valuable lesson. Fortnite isn't just a game anymore, its where a lot of kids are hanging out. concerts, movies and other things are happening there.

firloop 6y ago
Nobody has really “had their game shut off”. People who have Fortnite installed already are still able to play it indefinitely. Apple could have done this by revoking Epic’s developer certificate, but that hasn’t yet happened.
- Karunamon 6y ago
  That will go away the moment a server-side update requires a client update, and the update won't be accessible.