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That's a little silly as an example because AOL was exactly like this back in the day and had curated channels. You could still access external sites if AOL was
by dpkonofa 6y ago
That's a little silly as an example because AOL was exactly like this back in the day and had curated channels. You could still access external sites if AOL was your ISP as well but anything inside of the AOL application was reviewed by AOL.
Also, the web is not even a great analogy period since it wasn't created by a private company. Apple created their phones, their App Store, they maintain it, and they provide the infrastructure for it. That's nothing like the internet.
- colesantiago 6y agoHence the word 'Imagine', I guess GP mean't walled garden but that's the point. Also, GP didn't say anything about the internet.
- WWLink 6y agoYeah but this is as if you bought an AOL computer that did nothing but AOL. And AOL had absolute authority on what you could do on your computer. I know, I know, people who bought iPhones knew what they were buying into.
- dwheeler 6y agoActually, I don't think most people who buy iPhones have any idea what they're buying into. They're buying a phone. In some cases, they're buying an iPhone to access things like FaceTime. if they want to communicate with their friends then they must buy an iPhone.
- kqvamxurcagg 6y agoApple leverages user ignorance to create their demand-side app store monopoly. That's the entire point.
- scarface74 6y agoRight, because it couldn’t possibly be that most people don’t care about side loading apps?
- kqvamxurcagg 6y agoMy dude, my entire point is that most consumers don't care so it reinforces the monopoly.
- scarface74 6y agoSo that kind of kills that whole “consumer harm” argument doesn’t it?
- tomxor 6y agoSure... ignorance never harmed anyone... right?
- scarface74 6y agoIf only the alternative operating system to the iPhone was owned by a company that had a popular website where they could educate consumers.....
- kortilla 6y agoActually, I bought iPhones for my parents precisely because of the walled garden and consistent experience. Back when I made this change (3 years ago), the Android App Store was just a cess pool of privacy violating trash apps. Between that and the inconsistent ways to do everything across manufacturers, I just determined android flexibility is not worth hours of support for non-techies. So yes, lots of people buy iPhones exactly because if Apples iron grip.
- chc 6y agoYou're conflating different things under the header of "Apple's iron grip" here. It is beneficial to your parents that Apple prevents spyware better than Google does. It is not beneficial to your parents that they obsessively seek and destroy any way developers might get a single dollar from an iPhone user without giving Apple 30¢.
- scarface74 6y agoI’m sure my 75 year old parents don’t really care about in app purchases in Fortnite....
- chc 6y agoIt doesn't matter whether your parents care. My point is that they are separate practices with different pros and cons, so using the benefits of one to justify the other doesn't make sense.
- dpkonofa 6y ago>they obsessively seek and destroy any way developers might get a single dollar from an iPhone user without giving Apple 30¢. That's incredibly disingenuous and you're either being dishonest or ignorant. The 30% is for sales made on Apple's platform. Developers can absolutely make sales without giving Apple a cut as long as they don't use Apple's infrastructure or platform. You can have people purchase things for your app as long as you don't attempt to offer in-app purchases that circumvent the App Store.
- scarface74 6y agoYou mean like people buy game consoles instead of gaming PCs?
- dpkonofa 6y agoNo... that's not the same thing at all..? It would be like you using AOL and only being able to view the channels that AOL offered (which is exactly what it was). Apple has no authority to tell you what you can do with your device once you've purchased it but you also don't have the authority or the right to demand that Apple service your device if you jailbreak it or mod it. This is literally the exact same situation as Xbox and PS4. Xbox doesn't allow people to play PS4 games on an Xbox. Is that anti-competitive? Is that anti-consumer? Is that Xbox having absolute authority over what you can do on your Xbox? Get out of here with that nonsense.
- trixie_ 6y agoIt's not silly at all. Until 1995 home internet access was too expensive and AOL didn't offer support for http or any kind of internet access - only services provided by them. If they had the foresight they could of crushed the early internet and prevented it from ever happening. A 100% firewalled and paid service that wouldn't look much different than the cable companies at the time. People don't realize how lucky we are that the potential the internet provided flew under the radar for so long.