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Ballot box stuffing has occurred numerous times in American History. Even ids are not a panacea. https://www.theepochtimes.com/fake-id-seizures-on-the-rise-mos

Ballot box stuffing has occurred numerous times in American History. Even ids are not a panacea. https://www.theepochtimes.com/fake-id-seizures-on-the-rise-most-from-china_3458249.html https://www.theepochtimes.com/fake-id-seizures-on-the-rise-m... Plato's critique of a Democracy is it's the son of Oligarchy & degenerates into Tyranny... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato%27s_five_regimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato%27s_five_regimes

nawgz 6y ago
Paywall'd right-wing source was the best you could do?
- briantakita 6y ago
  Ad hominem is the best you can do? No paywall btw. Just submit an email address.
  - nawgz 6y ago
    No, I could do much better than ad hominem, but why bother? You pointed out a vanishingly small type of crime against mail-in ballots - with no numbers about how much crime occurs against real "voting booths", at that - and that was supposed to justify an intentional dismantling of a constitutionally guaranteed service for political gain by one party. This is clearly disingenuous on the face of it, and if it's not, and you really believe what you're saying, that's even worse and equally unlikely to have you yield from your position.
flaque 6y ago
The epoch times is a propaganda site and shouldn't be used as a legitimate source.
- briantakita 6y ago
  I have the feeling that any site that reports against your narrative will be deemed "a propaganda site and shouldn't be used as a legitimate source". Good luck speaking to your echo chamber. At least I can see what your what your ideological opponents are focused on. The silence of some news organizations re: the seizure of these fake ids is deafening, btw... https://www.foxnews.com/us/authorities-seize-thousands-of-fake-ids-in-kentucky https://www.foxnews.com/us/authorities-seize-thousands-of-fa...
  - flaque 6y ago
    No, this isn't a ideology thing, the epoch times is literally the news paper of the Falun Gong religious movement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times It's not "secretly" propaganda, it's explicitly and openly a propaganda site.
    - briantakita 6y ago
      Yes, this article, unlike many of the news sources you probably use, links to it's original sources. Your ideological point re: Falun Gong is irrelevant. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/cbp-louisville-seizes-more-5000-fake-ids https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/cbp-louisvi... https://twitter.com/CBPChicago/status/1291057732825513984 https://twitter.com/CBPChicago/status/1291057732825513984
      - conqueso 6y ago
        Fallacies in this post: 1) Ad hominem on parent 2) Cherry Picking - linking to original sources does not mean something is not propaganda
WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
Regarding absentee ballots, all 50 states combined yielded 143 fraud convictions over 20 years. Those numbers are so low that there's not any way to massage them into an actual risk to elections. Source Heritage Foundation https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud
- briantakita 6y ago
  Absentee ballots != mail in ballots
  - donarb 6y ago
    Oregon has distributed 100 million ballots over the past 20 years in its vote by mail system. In that time there have been just 12 cases of voter fraud.
    - briantakita 6y ago
      According to organized crime syndicates, there is almost no organized crime.
  - WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
    It is in Florida. Fill out the ballot and mail it in.
  - JadeNB 6y ago
    Pretty much, absentee ballots = mail-in ballots. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/trumps-absentee-vs-mail-in-ballot-spin https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/trumps-absentee-vs-mail-in...
    - briantakita 6y ago
      Like most Rockefeller & Gates sponsored rags, factcheck.org's post is muddying the waters with opinion, circular & contradictory reasoning, & deceptive headlines. This piece you sent me were mainly partisan opinions of the same people who advocate for mail in ballots, masquerading as some voice of authority that the audience is supposed to obey by fiat. There was no discussion, other than a sentence of an opinion, about the process. Unlike the article above I posted, there are no links to source documents of procedures or any source data other than partisan opinions.

nawgz 6y ago

Paywall'd right-wing source was the best you could do?

briantakita 6y ago
Ad hominem is the best you can do? No paywall btw. Just submit an email address.
- nawgz 6y ago
  No, I could do much better than ad hominem, but why bother? You pointed out a vanishingly small type of crime against mail-in ballots - with no numbers about how much crime occurs against real "voting booths", at that - and that was supposed to justify an intentional dismantling of a constitutionally guaranteed service for political gain by one party. This is clearly disingenuous on the face of it, and if it's not, and you really believe what you're saying, that's even worse and equally unlikely to have you yield from your position.

flaque 6y ago

The epoch times is a propaganda site and shouldn't be used as a legitimate source.

briantakita 6y ago
I have the feeling that any site that reports against your narrative will be deemed "a propaganda site and shouldn't be used as a legitimate source". Good luck speaking to your echo chamber. At least I can see what your what your ideological opponents are focused on. The silence of some news organizations re: the seizure of these fake ids is deafening, btw... https://www.foxnews.com/us/authorities-seize-thousands-of-fake-ids-in-kentucky https://www.foxnews.com/us/authorities-seize-thousands-of-fa...
- flaque 6y ago
  No, this isn't a ideology thing, the epoch times is literally the news paper of the Falun Gong religious movement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times It's not "secretly" propaganda, it's explicitly and openly a propaganda site.
  - briantakita 6y ago
    Yes, this article, unlike many of the news sources you probably use, links to it's original sources. Your ideological point re: Falun Gong is irrelevant. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/cbp-louisville-seizes-more-5000-fake-ids https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/cbp-louisvi... https://twitter.com/CBPChicago/status/1291057732825513984 https://twitter.com/CBPChicago/status/1291057732825513984
    - conqueso 6y ago
      Fallacies in this post: 1) Ad hominem on parent 2) Cherry Picking - linking to original sources does not mean something is not propaganda

WarOnPrivacy 6y ago

Regarding absentee ballots, all 50 states combined yielded 143 fraud convictions over 20 years. Those numbers are so low that there's not any way to massage them into an actual risk to elections. Source Heritage Foundation https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

briantakita 6y ago
Absentee ballots != mail in ballots
- donarb 6y ago
  Oregon has distributed 100 million ballots over the past 20 years in its vote by mail system. In that time there have been just 12 cases of voter fraud.
  - briantakita 6y ago
    According to organized crime syndicates, there is almost no organized crime.
- WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
  It is in Florida. Fill out the ballot and mail it in.
- JadeNB 6y ago
  Pretty much, absentee ballots = mail-in ballots. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/trumps-absentee-vs-mail-in-ballot-spin https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/trumps-absentee-vs-mail-in...
  - briantakita 6y ago
    Like most Rockefeller & Gates sponsored rags, factcheck.org's post is muddying the waters with opinion, circular & contradictory reasoning, & deceptive headlines. This piece you sent me were mainly partisan opinions of the same people who advocate for mail in ballots, masquerading as some voice of authority that the audience is supposed to obey by fiat. There was no discussion, other than a sentence of an opinion, about the process. Unlike the article above I posted, there are no links to source documents of procedures or any source data other than partisan opinions.