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If by great you mean "great for malware makers" I guess so. HN has a big problem of pushing for changes hat benefit highly tech-literate people but in reality t

by Noos 6y ago

If by great you mean "great for malware makers" I guess so. HN has a big problem of pushing for changes hat benefit highly tech-literate people but in reality the majority of the market needs signed apps so they don't download harmful programs. I think people need to stop looking at their own immediate interests and start considering long term aspects of things. You can't just throw out technology now without understanding how it empowers bad actors, because it amplifies them too.

Apocryphon 6y ago
Perhaps if running unsigned apps became more widespread, businesses will spring up in the space to offer secure, curated apps as third-party app stores. Desktop software, for a long time, did not have the notion of specialized app stores or enforcing signed programs. Yes, Windows has loads of security issues. But surely this can be a problem that can be solved over time?
- jachee 6y ago
  Why would John Q. Public trust a third party over the manufacturer of their device?
  - Apocryphon 6y ago
    Why would anyone want to download Firefox or Chrome when you can just surf with IE?
    - jachee 6y ago
      Microsoft didn't make the computer, and has no incentive to ensure a high quality UX. Apple cares about their hardware customers and fosters a well-earned trust. The AppStore rules are a huge part of the foundation of that trust.
      - Apocryphon 6y ago
        But Microsoft made the OS, hence why shouldn’t the user trust their neatly-integrated browser? The analogy still holds.
        jachee 6y ago
        Apple is a hardware company that wants to ensure the best possible UX for their customers, and does so by vetting the software that gets installed on their hardware products. What's Microsoft's parallel motivation in your analogy?
        Apocryphon 6y ago
        So you're saying that a software company that makes operating systems, and has the incentive to want programs that run well on the said OS, has no interest in wanting its users to be locked into the browser they also make?
- spanhandler 6y ago
  > Perhaps if running unsigned apps became more widespread, businesses will spring up in the space to offer secure, curated apps as third-party app stores. They should go ahead and do that, then make an OS and mobile devices built around their store, so I have an option other than iOS devices when I want someone in my life who's not a tech nerd to have a reasonably safe and usable computing experience that's still very robust and doesn't require any work on my part. That would be competition and improved consumer choice. I want more options that deliver the experience Apple does (or better! Please!) rather than fewer. That's the choice I want. I've got tons of only-nerds-can-use-them-safely computing options. I don't need more of those.

by Noos 6y ago

Apocryphon 6y ago

Perhaps if running unsigned apps became more widespread, businesses will spring up in the space to offer secure, curated apps as third-party app stores. Desktop software, for a long time, did not have the notion of specialized app stores or enforcing signed programs. Yes, Windows has loads of security issues. But surely this can be a problem that can be solved over time?

jachee 6y ago
Why would John Q. Public trust a third party over the manufacturer of their device?
- Apocryphon 6y ago
  Why would anyone want to download Firefox or Chrome when you can just surf with IE?
  - jachee 6y ago
    Microsoft didn't make the computer, and has no incentive to ensure a high quality UX. Apple cares about their hardware customers and fosters a well-earned trust. The AppStore rules are a huge part of the foundation of that trust.
    - Apocryphon 6y ago
      But Microsoft made the OS, hence why shouldn’t the user trust their neatly-integrated browser? The analogy still holds.
      - jachee 6y ago
        Apple is a hardware company that wants to ensure the best possible UX for their customers, and does so by vetting the software that gets installed on their hardware products. What's Microsoft's parallel motivation in your analogy?
        Apocryphon 6y ago
        So you're saying that a software company that makes operating systems, and has the incentive to want programs that run well on the said OS, has no interest in wanting its users to be locked into the browser they also make?
spanhandler 6y ago
> Perhaps if running unsigned apps became more widespread, businesses will spring up in the space to offer secure, curated apps as third-party app stores. They should go ahead and do that, then make an OS and mobile devices built around their store, so I have an option other than iOS devices when I want someone in my life who's not a tech nerd to have a reasonably safe and usable computing experience that's still very robust and doesn't require any work on my part. That would be competition and improved consumer choice. I want more options that deliver the experience Apple does (or better! Please!) rather than fewer. That's the choice I want. I've got tons of only-nerds-can-use-them-safely computing options. I don't need more of those.